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#461
They had all the opportunity in the world to be airline pilots. One is a biomedical researcher the other is in Vet school. Flying for a living is simply unappealing to them. And that doesn’t bother me at all. Flying is something you really have to enjoy and want to do. You can’t be good at it if you don’t enjoy it.
#462
My two daughters grew up flying. One still likes to go up and do a loop or two. The other wants nothing to do with airplanes other than the necessary evil of riding in an airliner to vacation somewhere beautiful.
They had all the opportunity in the world to be airline pilots. One is a biomedical researcher the other is in Vet school. Flying for a living is simply unappealing to them. And that doesn’t bother me at all. Flying is something you really have to enjoy and want to do. You can’t be good at it if you don’t enjoy it.
They had all the opportunity in the world to be airline pilots. One is a biomedical researcher the other is in Vet school. Flying for a living is simply unappealing to them. And that doesn’t bother me at all. Flying is something you really have to enjoy and want to do. You can’t be good at it if you don’t enjoy it.
#463
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Agreed, until you try to do big brother/big sister and are told you’re not similar/same or a good fit due to racial demographics/relatability, etc.
#464
Or try to foster or adopt kids who need a home and get told no due to ethnic/religious reasons.
Same though process. Yes, a 2 year old Jewish orphan from an Eastern European country won't be able to relate.
My wife is Jewish. MY MOM IS FROM THE EASTERN EURO COUNTRY WE WERE TRYING TO ADOPT FROM (Latvia)(but not Jewish, therefore I'm not, even though my dad was)
I look like a normal Latvian. That is basically German with dark hair and eyes. Wifes family is from that part of the world and is the same religion. People that didn't know we didn't have the kid naturally would have no idea she wasn't ours genetically.
Try to foster to adopt. "Well, this child half black and won't be able to relate to a white family"
I've seen how half black kids get treated. Its usually the black kids that won't accept them. Best friend growing up was half Cape Verdean (black Portuguese) and half Italian.
His moms family, totally accepting. Very hut or miss with his dads family.
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Same though process. Yes, a 2 year old Jewish orphan from an Eastern European country won't be able to relate.
My wife is Jewish. MY MOM IS FROM THE EASTERN EURO COUNTRY WE WERE TRYING TO ADOPT FROM (Latvia)(but not Jewish, therefore I'm not, even though my dad was)
I look like a normal Latvian. That is basically German with dark hair and eyes. Wifes family is from that part of the world and is the same religion. People that didn't know we didn't have the kid naturally would have no idea she wasn't ours genetically.
Try to foster to adopt. "Well, this child half black and won't be able to relate to a white family"
I've seen how half black kids get treated. Its usually the black kids that won't accept them. Best friend growing up was half Cape Verdean (black Portuguese) and half Italian.
His moms family, totally accepting. Very hut or miss with his dads family.
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#465
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Minorities and women have been flying commercially and in the military for a long time. If you can’t find a role model in aviation in 2021 (that is, if one of your requirements for a role model is that they have the same skin pigment and genitalia as you), then you aren’t looking.
#466
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Or try to foster or adopt kids who need a home and get told no due to ethnic/religious reasons.
Same though process. Yes, a 2 year old Jewish orphan from an Eastern European country won't be able to relate.
My wife is Jewish. MY MOM IS FROM THE EASTERN EURO COUNTRY WE WERE TRYING TO ADOPT FROM (Latvia)(but not Jewish, therefore I'm not, even though my dad was)
I look like a normal Latvian. That is basically German with dark hair and eyes. Wifes family is from that part of the world and is the same religion. People that didn't know we didn't have the kid naturally would have no idea she wasn't ours genetically.
Same though process. Yes, a 2 year old Jewish orphan from an Eastern European country won't be able to relate.
My wife is Jewish. MY MOM IS FROM THE EASTERN EURO COUNTRY WE WERE TRYING TO ADOPT FROM (Latvia)(but not Jewish, therefore I'm not, even though my dad was)
I look like a normal Latvian. That is basically German with dark hair and eyes. Wifes family is from that part of the world and is the same religion. People that didn't know we didn't have the kid naturally would have no idea she wasn't ours genetically.
#467
My two daughters grew up flying. One still likes to go up and do a loop or two. The other wants nothing to do with airplanes other than the necessary evil of riding in an airliner to vacation somewhere beautiful.
They had all the opportunity in the world to be airline pilots. One is a biomedical researcher the other is in Vet school. Flying for a living is simply unappealing to them. And that doesn’t bother me at all. Flying is something you really have to enjoy and want to do. You can’t be good at it if you don’t enjoy it.
They had all the opportunity in the world to be airline pilots. One is a biomedical researcher the other is in Vet school. Flying for a living is simply unappealing to them. And that doesn’t bother me at all. Flying is something you really have to enjoy and want to do. You can’t be good at it if you don’t enjoy it.
#468
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So you have to experience something to be able to have an opinion on it? “If you’ve never been murdered, you may not participate in a discussion about murder.” Makes sense.
Also, most female pilots I know have not had either of those things happen. In fact I’m willing to bet occurrences like that are a tiny fraction of interactions between male evaluators or interviewers with female applicants, and in line with the percentage of those types of interactions in any other workplace outside of aviation (no data to back that up, but I’ve never heard of some rampant BJ seeking culture in the checkride world, and I don’t buy it). And, I assume each time it occurred with all the female pilots you know, the checkride/interview was stopped, cops called, and the said perp arrested, or supervisors informed, etc? If I went to go take a check ride or interview and some dude told me I had to blow him to pass, that’d be a pretty easy problem set to deal with for me, regardless of my gender.
Also, most female pilots I know have not had either of those things happen. In fact I’m willing to bet occurrences like that are a tiny fraction of interactions between male evaluators or interviewers with female applicants, and in line with the percentage of those types of interactions in any other workplace outside of aviation (no data to back that up, but I’ve never heard of some rampant BJ seeking culture in the checkride world, and I don’t buy it). And, I assume each time it occurred with all the female pilots you know, the checkride/interview was stopped, cops called, and the said perp arrested, or supervisors informed, etc? If I went to go take a check ride or interview and some dude told me I had to blow him to pass, that’d be a pretty easy problem set to deal with for me, regardless of my gender.
Your living in denial or you've only flown for the government or a union airline.
I doubt its as clumsy as a BJ for a SAT check ride.
Corporate absolutely is, what's in it for me? If I hire you you'll either get pregnant or already have scheduling problems with kids.
"I just got off the phone with Flight Safety it's 20k to get you typed/checked out for insurance. What do you think about that? I can book us a hotel room. Do you think it would be a good idea?"
When she says no, I don't think that will be a good idea, obviously the job falls though. Then typically a white upper middle class pilot is hired who then complains women get an extra box to check at the majors and it isn't fair.
Bill Clinton and Donald Trump have been banging women in their 30's for 40 years. Do you really think other rich aircraft owners are different?
If it hasn't happened to women you know then they are not attractive, have been in government, or stayed at a flight school until a regional hires them. In cooperate it absolutely happens when you send out job applications and are pursuing a step in your career, like turbine time, turbine pic, jet types etc.
Last edited by Happyflyer; 04-11-2021 at 08:13 AM.
#469
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Your daughters had an opportunity and a choice. So would it be presumptive to assume that you are in favor of giving exposure and access to aviation to groups that are underrepresented and do not have that access, in their youth for example, so they can make an informed decision whether or not professional aviation is a desirable career?
Fortunately, being a rich white male with a pilot dad isn’t a pre-req. for exposure to actually get a flight. I didn’t know about that program as a kid (wish I did, if it even existed back then).
#470
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It would be proven the type didn't add to safety and minority pilots were never interviewed. A barrier of entry was establish to prevent the need to discriminate at the interview.
Same with a community college vs Embry Riddle.
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