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Old 04-11-2021 | 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Nelson
It's similar to Nation building. Some people just can't help themselves.
My two daughters grew up flying. One still likes to go up and do a loop or two. The other wants nothing to do with airplanes other than the necessary evil of riding in an airliner to vacation somewhere beautiful.

They had all the opportunity in the world to be airline pilots. One is a biomedical researcher the other is in Vet school. Flying for a living is simply unappealing to them. And that doesn’t bother me at all. Flying is something you really have to enjoy and want to do. You can’t be good at it if you don’t enjoy it.
Old 04-11-2021 | 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
My two daughters grew up flying. One still likes to go up and do a loop or two. The other wants nothing to do with airplanes other than the necessary evil of riding in an airliner to vacation somewhere beautiful.

They had all the opportunity in the world to be airline pilots. One is a biomedical researcher the other is in Vet school. Flying for a living is simply unappealing to them. And that doesn’t bother me at all. Flying is something you really have to enjoy and want to do. You can’t be good at it if you don’t enjoy it.
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Old 04-11-2021 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Windshear
What about mentoring a child of any race or sex, and letting them know they're capable of ANYTHING? Then helping them down their dream path? With the right mentoring/motivation, kids don't need someone that looks like them to look up to!
Agreed, until you try to do big brother/big sister and are told you’re not similar/same or a good fit due to racial demographics/relatability, etc.
Old 04-11-2021 | 07:12 AM
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Or try to foster or adopt kids who need a home and get told no due to ethnic/religious reasons.


Same though process. Yes, a 2 year old Jewish orphan from an Eastern European country won't be able to relate.

My wife is Jewish. MY MOM IS FROM THE EASTERN EURO COUNTRY WE WERE TRYING TO ADOPT FROM (Latvia)(but not Jewish, therefore I'm not, even though my dad was)

I look like a normal Latvian. That is basically German with dark hair and eyes. Wifes family is from that part of the world and is the same religion. People that didn't know we didn't have the kid naturally would have no idea she wasn't ours genetically.

Try to foster to adopt. "Well, this child half black and won't be able to relate to a white family"

I've seen how half black kids get treated. Its usually the black kids that won't accept them. Best friend growing up was half Cape Verdean (black Portuguese) and half Italian.

His moms family, totally accepting. Very hut or miss with his dads family.

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Old 04-11-2021 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
These are the words of someone who had role models that looked like them.
Saying that a role model has to “look like them” is saying that a certain race or gender is an inherent required trait someone has to have to be considered a role model. That perpetuates identity politics and is a clear example of judging people by their race/gender (racism/sexism), the exact opposite of what we should be doing as a society. I had several black role models growing up. They didn’t look like me. And that didn’t matter.

Minorities and women have been flying commercially and in the military for a long time. If you can’t find a role model in aviation in 2021 (that is, if one of your requirements for a role model is that they have the same skin pigment and genitalia as you), then you aren’t looking.
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Originally Posted by CX500T
Or try to foster or adopt kids who need a home and get told no due to ethnic/religious reasons.


Same though process. Yes, a 2 year old Jewish orphan from an Eastern European country won't be able to relate.

My wife is Jewish. MY MOM IS FROM THE EASTERN EURO COUNTRY WE WERE TRYING TO ADOPT FROM (Latvia)(but not Jewish, therefore I'm not, even though my dad was)

I look like a normal Latvian. That is basically German with dark hair and eyes. Wifes family is from that part of the world and is the same religion. People that didn't know we didn't have the kid naturally would have no idea she wasn't ours genetically.
No way, you’re “white”, and ALL “white” people are the same with no ethnocentric/cultural/religious differences what so ever.
Old 04-11-2021 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
My two daughters grew up flying. One still likes to go up and do a loop or two. The other wants nothing to do with airplanes other than the necessary evil of riding in an airliner to vacation somewhere beautiful.

They had all the opportunity in the world to be airline pilots. One is a biomedical researcher the other is in Vet school. Flying for a living is simply unappealing to them. And that doesn’t bother me at all. Flying is something you really have to enjoy and want to do. You can’t be good at it if you don’t enjoy it.
Your daughters had an opportunity and a choice. So would it be presumptive to assume that you are in favor of giving exposure and access to aviation to groups that are underrepresented and do not have that access, in their youth for example, so they can make an informed decision whether or not professional aviation is a desirable career?
Old 04-11-2021 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
So you have to experience something to be able to have an opinion on it? “If you’ve never been murdered, you may not participate in a discussion about murder.” Makes sense.

Also, most female pilots I know have not had either of those things happen. In fact I’m willing to bet occurrences like that are a tiny fraction of interactions between male evaluators or interviewers with female applicants, and in line with the percentage of those types of interactions in any other workplace outside of aviation (no data to back that up, but I’ve never heard of some rampant BJ seeking culture in the checkride world, and I don’t buy it). And, I assume each time it occurred with all the female pilots you know, the checkride/interview was stopped, cops called, and the said perp arrested, or supervisors informed, etc? If I went to go take a check ride or interview and some dude told me I had to blow him to pass, that’d be a pretty easy problem set to deal with for me, regardless of my gender.

Your living in denial or you've only flown for the government or a union airline.

I doubt its as clumsy as a BJ for a SAT check ride.
Corporate absolutely is, what's in it for me? If I hire you you'll either get pregnant or already have scheduling problems with kids.

"I just got off the phone with Flight Safety it's 20k to get you typed/checked out for insurance. What do you think about that? I can book us a hotel room. Do you think it would be a good idea?"

When she says no, I don't think that will be a good idea, obviously the job falls though. Then typically a white upper middle class pilot is hired who then complains women get an extra box to check at the majors and it isn't fair.

Bill Clinton and Donald Trump have been banging women in their 30's for 40 years. Do you really think other rich aircraft owners are different?

If it hasn't happened to women you know then they are not attractive, have been in government, or stayed at a flight school until a regional hires them. In cooperate it absolutely happens when you send out job applications and are pursuing a step in your career, like turbine time, turbine pic, jet types etc.

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Old 04-11-2021 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by WhistlePig
Your daughters had an opportunity and a choice. So would it be presumptive to assume that you are in favor of giving exposure and access to aviation to groups that are underrepresented and do not have that access, in their youth for example, so they can make an informed decision whether or not professional aviation is a desirable career?
https://www.eaa.org/eaa/youth/free-ye-flights

Fortunately, being a rich white male with a pilot dad isn’t a pre-req. for exposure to actually get a flight. I didn’t know about that program as a kid (wish I did, if it even existed back then).
Old 04-11-2021 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by panpanpan
Can United get sued for choosing a less qualified candidate over a more qualified candidate based on race or gender? I don’t see how that can possibly be legal.
Eventually you get sued for requiring a 6k 737 type rating knowing minority families have 12cents for every dollar a white family has in America.

It would be proven the type didn't add to safety and minority pilots were never interviewed. A barrier of entry was establish to prevent the need to discriminate at the interview.

Same with a community college vs Embry Riddle.
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