Sounds like that airline has a training program deficiency. Something is wrong with the culture in that school house. There have been major crashes with pilots who had thousands of hours of expertise flying jets...

 

Agreed.

Also agreed with your post about who stops by the cockpit to take a look.

I have noticed a more genuine appreciation of the cockpit tour from non white people and its touching.

With that said I can't get behind straight up quotas, especially for just targeting one specific job, not the whole organization.

 

I totally agree. My example of medical school was only presented because the data is tracked. Most anyone could do this job with the right training. My point is not in the physical accomplishment of it, but in the acceptance to it. If a goal is set to only select based on race/gender, history has shown that the initial selection will have lower standards to meet that goal.

So you end up with more qualified candidates who do not get selected because they are x race or y gender. In the case of medical school, x would be Asian and y would be female.

 

I think some of you need to look at the ****** Aviate Website.

It speaks directly about "The Most Direct Path to a ****** Flight Deck"

The purpose of this "school" is to teach flying that should lead to our cockpits (opps.. now I've done it!). And when you set "quotas" there is no way around the fact that some qualified people will not get in due to those quotas while some lower qualified people while get in because of the quotas.

As far as the reason why certain groups decide on a career has already been discussed by numerous individuals on this thread.
But isn't it interesting that less that a year ago people were screaming about 4000+ displacement and potential furloughs...
Months ago they were screaming about multi million dollar losses a day and Cares Act 2 and then 3 needing to be implements...

Now they have us changing the way we are suppose to look at life with regards to hiring.

I wonder, what are the stats on the Hogan test for Pass/Fail for-
Males
Non White Males
Females
Non White Females
Military vs. Civilian

So where does this lead? Do we change the test because we don't like the results?

I'm all for helping people.. it's what we, as human beings should be doing. But when you set a quota, you create more hurt than help. Just my opinion.

FS, FP & FtC
Always
Motch

PS)
3 Yrs 5 Months 19 Days-
Since TI and our union stated they were working with management to get a new UPA (at amendable date)
2 Yrs, 2 Months, 7 Days-
Since our UPA became amendable
1 Yr, 3 Months, 6 Days-
Since 2/3rds of this pilot group saw a pay raise, though about a 3rd does have the opportunity to bid into a higher seat (maybe)
{as of 7 Apr 21}

 

Perhaps because women are, by their nature, prone to want to have children and raise them? A flying career makes that pretty damn hard to do. Hence, why you just won’t find the number of women interested in the job as you will men. It’s not some secret sexist plan to suppress women from the cockpit, it’s just human nature. Last time I checked, there weren’t any barriers to entry into flight schools if you were a certain race/gender. Oh wait.... Now there will be if you are a white male....

Regarding the financial barriers, do minorities/women not have access to loans, or are loans only available to white males? I also can recall the numerous scholarship opportunities at UND/ERAU available ONLY to women and/or POC. Some barrier I tell ya...

 

WTH would you define life threatening? Wings falling off?
You are talking about some of the more serious problems we face. I'll take engine fire and failure any day of control problems...

 

Ive noticed more differences than just wires! 😏

 

Explain to me what about having XX chromasomes means you are destined to be more likely a nurse than a pilot. Absent society's influence, it should be much much closer to even.

 

Women are also more risk averse, have a completely different type of spatial intelligence, and are more likely to be emotional thinkers.

The same people shouting from the rooftops about "SCIENCE!!1!" really don't like science when it doesn't help them promote their agenda. Women and men are wired differently. There is nothing wrong with that.

 

Y'all are making me nuts about this. They are proposing more outreach programs to achieve diversity. As in, encouraging more people to do the jobs, meeting women and people of color who are pilots. You're gonna tell me promoting things like field trips, discovery flights and cockpit tours etc are too woke??

Never ONE TIME has anyone suggested that we should simply waive the performance requirements for being a pilot.