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04-07-2021 | 09:39 AM

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Andy Dufresne

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Originally Posted by GA2Jets

I don't understand what you're asking here.

Pilots are are extremely skewed toward men in a way most other professions aren't. It's that simple. It's a serious outlier and to have absolutely no introspection about that, well it's very disappointing.

Pilots are skewed towards men for researchable, easily verifiable, scientific reasons. Types of spatial intelligences, risk aversion, etc.

Women and men, generally speaking, have very differing types of intelligences. Decades upon decades of research has been done on this. There is nothing wrong with that. If you need me to start quoting and linking some peer reviewed journals, I'd be happy to - if you're interested.

04-07-2021 | 09:43 AM

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AAL763

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What does it even mean to be qualified to enter flight school? You have to know how to do math? I mean come on. A will to work hard is practically all it takes! That and like 40 grand, or large amounts of loans which take decent credit. Being a pilot is flippin easy.

Well, obviously United can’t just accept everyone into their exclusive flight school. So the recipients of the coveted slots should be based on race/gender in your mind, not academic performance, quality of character, etc.?

04-07-2021 | 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy Dufresne

Again, I grant the fact that some things are different. But you've met women pilots, are they simply needles in a hay stack? Or were a lot of them people who had a family member who flew, or just were interested. Many of those I know had experiences like that. It doesn't fit with you insistence that different genes explain that huge discrepancy. Again, all the same goes for people of color. Where is that genetic difference, if you please.

04-07-2021 | 09:45 AM

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SonicCarhop

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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard

The US military has taken the lead in social issues in this country for many decades. Gender hasn't been a consideration in military pilot hiring for nearly 50 years (other than height for ejection seats and combat restrictions). With the gates wide open for decades, the military hasn't come anywhere near 10% female on the flight deck. For UA to achieve its goal, it will necessarily require a massive disparity in standards due to a sheer lack of volume and interest - it's just basic math, not a comment on any social issue.

I would also add this thought. Have fun negotiating a contract in 15 years if a third of the seniority list is beholden to UA for their only skill set, their employment, and has a $100,000 debt to the company. That should make for a very steely-eyed pilot group at the negotiating table (sarcasm intended).

The goal is not for United to have 50% women and minority mainline pilots, its to have 25000 of the 5000 people at their entry level flight academy over the next 5 years be women and minorities.

04-07-2021 | 09:49 AM

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AAL763

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The goal is not for United to have 50% women and minority mainline pilots, its to have 25000 of the 5000 people at their entry level flight academy over the next 5 years be women and minorities.

Which, if they pass still leads to a ‘guaranteed job at United’.... And it is still discrimination. If the tables were reversed, and United’s new Chief Diversity & Inclusion Officer (joke of a title anyways) announced their goal is to train 50% white males, you’d all be throwing an absolute ****-fit and rightly so.

04-07-2021 | 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AAL763

So you're saying that there aren't enough women and minorities, which make up 70% of the population, with high enough academic performance or quality of character to deserve 50% of the spots in the academy?