hummingbear

Wow. Sounds like you’ve conducted a very robust statistical analysis of this not at all nebulous claim.

Stan446

I heard the MLB All Star game will now be in Chicago.

kaputt

There was a Supreme Court case about this very thing regarding UC Davis back in the 70s. At the time they had a numbered quota for minority students that they had to hit (much like United has claimed they will do). The data showed that the average GPA of the quota meeting students was sub 3.0 while students with significantly higher GPAs, who just happened to be white, were getting rejected because all the non-quota spots had been filled. I can’t remember the actual numbers; I did a report on affirmative action way back in college, but you can pretty easily look it up. There are other cases as well along similar lines, a more modern one had to do with UT-Austin, but I can’t remember the specifics of that anymore.

The theme of quotas lowering the quality of an applicant pool is legitimate though.

The actual way to increase minority representation is to encourage whatever activity/job/etc... from a young age. School out reach programs are massively needed for this and then you actually build a quality pool to pull from. The problem is, such a grass roots effort can take decades to show results. Much easier for politicians, business leaders, and universities to set quotas and just increase the raw numbers, quality of the applicants be damned, and then pat themselves on the back about how tolerant and woke they are.

redblueskies

Lots of angst here and understandably so. It's frustrating to watch people who can't see the forest for the trees. Shortcuts like this will ultimately lead to a negative effect for the profession and for those whom this is intended to help. The more round pegs they try to cram through square holes will not help out any demographic positively, nor will it benefit the profession. The cream will rise to the top, successful driven people will find an avenue to be successful which may mean less of them in aviation. The more the profession is whittled away to bring it down to the lowest common denominator to meet a quota the less desirable it will become.

When you grant an advantage to one group or groups for positions of limited quantity you're inevitably allowing a disadvantage to be placed on another group. The result will be only the best of the disadvantaged group will exist, further enhancing the perceived perception of superiority a program like this is supposedly trying to eliminate.

It's unfortunate to see people sabotage races and a gender they claim to be trying to help. Ultimately though, the smart driven people of any demographic will continue to succeed. Someday perhaps our society will be sophisticated enough to recognize this but based on our current trajectory it doesn't look like that will happen anytime soon.

As the father of a targeted demographic of this program it does make me sad for her and our species as a whole. I try to remind myself her level of success will ultimately be a factor of her drive, abilities and intelligence in spite of handicaps our society willingly creates.

aeroplanez

If there was any statement issued at all it should have read:

"United will continue to hire the most highly qualified candidates regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation or creed."

Period. Anything else (like the statement they put out) is discriminatory.

hummingbear

To be clear, I’m not for lowering standards at all. So once again for perspective, it bears reviewing what United has actually committed to doing. Over the next ten years, they plan to find from a population of 330 million, 2,500 women & people from minority demographics, train them to fly to FAA standards, and give them a chance to interview for a position at UAL. If you honestly don’t think that can be done without sacrificing safety, you may need to examine your world view.

aeroplanez

If there was any statement issued at all it should have read:

"United will continue to hire the most highly qualified candidates regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation or creed."

Period. Anything else (like the statement they put out) is discriminatory.

iHateAMR

I feel like I have to pipe in as a male of color. I feel like a I had a damn solid resume, solid GPA, Masters in Aero Sci, 121 Internship, Military Heavy Pilot, 121 Regional Capt, but I got passed up (had later interviews) by white females. I didn’t know what to think, not a single one of them had their masters, PIC, or an internship. They were literally hired for being a female. It’s hard for me to lump them all together, because some of my closest friends in aviation are female pilots, and they’re damn good. But this was the quota for two airlines that early on decided to make it 50/50 by taking any female with a pulse. Thankfully I moved on to an airline that actually cared about my skills, but I’ll never forget that right seat revolving door of minorities passing me up to meet quotas.

I just want to see the NBA hire more white males and people who are vertically challenged.

Skip0927

At what point does this insanity end? When does Mother U say we dont have enough diversity in the left seat and start abrogating seniority in order to get the mix correct? Maybe I should just start identifying as a 777 CAPT and fight the oppression now...smh

AAL763

So you’re pro-white oppression. Yet, we’re the racist ones on this thread.... Here’s an idea, why don’t you go renounce your cushy career here and go offer yourself up in SA for the cause, being since you seem to hate your own race so much. We can’t help the way we were born. I’ll pray you can find the peace to both love yourself and everyone else for the way they are.