Scott Stoops

I think that was very well said.

I also have significant issues with the way we are hiring. To put an emphasis on hiring from Aviate completely disregards the effort that many have already committed to this process when the rules were different. United unilaterally shut down tsa and expressjet. We (United) basically vertical filed the careers of many well established aviators, and continue to do so through the Hogan test. I have many friends who are far better people and aviators than I that have been passed over by the Hogan test. Until we fully employ those that have been fighting for a chance at UAL for in many cases decades, I just don’t see the need for Aviate.

baseball

Is that a legitimate and worthy expenditure of the company's resources and the employees profit sharing?
There may be X number of women on the planet. There may be Y number of other so-called racial minorities.
Other people who are on a mission, I guess you would call them the non X and Y people just want to go out and find their way, and earn their stripes. Those people are motivated enough to see to it that they are trained to FAA standards. Another words, they don't seem to have a problem turning their dreams into reality on their own dime and own time.

Examine a world view where you are self motivated, and a self starter, and you take control over your own destiny by investing in yourself. Earn what you get and get what you earn.

I used to think they don't pay the check-airman enough. Now I am convinced of it. I wonder if they will be resigning in droves because of the increased risk and liability. I am sure our check airman were consulted on this program right? Just like the line pilots were?

baseball

All of the internships at my college when to females. None of the males were accepted. That was back in 1991. Of the three that went. None are here today at UAL, and none are professional pilots anywhere. I know. We're all still good friends.

baseball

You might laugh. Maybe not. But, I read a masters thesis whereby a student made the case that female pilots were indeed safer pilots.

Flydafe

I counter this thinking with the development of the civilian pilot training program that allowed the Tuskegee airmen to be created. Compared to their counterparts in the military they out performed everyone and never lost a bomber in combat. They became so desired by their Caucasian counterparts that they where given the name “by request” because they knew that they would come home if escorted by the Red Tails. They were requested multiple times and never failed... over 1500 missions. Many of your grandfathers were escorted by these men.

The standards were not lowered when the military included minority pilots.. the standards were shattered in that era and there is historical data to back it up.

http://www.tuskegeetopgun.com/tuskegee_airmen.php

DALFA

Employers should hire those with the best resume and skill set. Period. The color of your skin or the fact that you have a vagina instead of a penis should not be part of the hiring process.

For all those that say "oh this won't lead to lowering standards" all you have to do is look at Universities. If you're Asian you need a higher SAT/ACT score to get accepted into a University. If you're black, they'll settle for less. All in the name of "diversity". You don't think that will happen when it comes time to hire for the cockpit? Stop being delusional.

baseball

It was a 200. You're right. I stand corrected.

Interesting. I searched NTSB database last night. No accident report. It is listed as a reportable accident (hull loss). However, no report on file. No tapes either. Looks like UAL is doing a great job at burying this. You can't even get the IP's at the school house to present anything on it. It's like it never happened. WOW!

baseball

I recall a simulator check out and a panel of Senior Airline Captains at the interview. Some HR person looked at the paperwork after the interview was over. That's how it should be done.

Notice how the FB forums that are involved in UAL are all shut down now. Provda has shutdown any pilot who discussed this topic on FB.

The FB moderators tell people to "call their union reps." Like, yeah, our snaggle tooth union reps are going to do what exactly?

Interesting. The company is going to finance this endeavor out of what money? Could it be our profit sharing? This Aviate program isn't going to be run for free. So, really, in the end, the pilots have to subsidize it anyway. Glad they asked us permission.

These candidates....They will sure be solid union members right? Nah. They gonna be beholding to the boss man for their job. It's a new kind of slavery. They got you by the balls before you even get hired. Management owns these guys and gals and they ain't even hired yet. ALPA hasn't said "boo" about all this. Interesting.............

AAL763

The unions are most likely in on the whole charade. Just look at who leads them. The likes of Sara Nelson at CWA, Joe DePete/Todd Insler at ALPA... They’ve already applauded it.

Desdi

Brutal ATP mins? You clearly are not an airline pilot, just a troll!