that’s not true at all I got a water cannon salute in ORD for a CA that went early. United positive spaced his entire family on the flight.

 

I was arguing against CantTaxiToACS’s view in favor for racial quotas in hiring not necessarily against the Aviate initiative!

 

I still never seen an all male flight. Now that is rare and would deserve a water cannon.

 

There is/will be a process to compete for Aviate. The way it is advertised is that it will not be an equality of opportunity to participate. 50% of those accepted into the program will have more of an opportunity than the other 50%. You confusing two separate issues.

 

I did a retirement flight for a CA out of SFO....The company positive spaced his entire family.....and then reassigned him. This was pre-Covid. What a kick in the teeth on your way out the door.

 

SFO has not done water cannon for at least 3 years. Why? Answer is the water shortage. City won’t let them.

Recently retired Captain (2 weeks before the glorious all female flight) did not get one in DEN because it was “too cold, (41 degrees).

Fact checks, this was purely a marketing move by UAL. Considering the fact, yes fact, UAL has been giving preferential hiring since 1978 to minorities and females, because of 1976 legal action (which is still being brought up these days, see link below). In my opinion the problem is there isn’t a very big pool of qualified applicants to fill those slots.

And lest anyone complain they are being left out, in the 90s UAL changed their flight time experience requirements to give a greater weight to single seat fighter types because of the difference in accumulated flight hours with heavy transport types.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-p...ited-airlines/

Like COVID, this kind of stuff will never end. Probably going to revisit the age discrimination lawsuit again.

BTW, I believe this wasn’t the “first” all female flight crew. I seem to remember such a thing made the Company news years go. But maybe this time they arrange so the rest of the staff was also all female and that’s what makes it something special. So, were they (as in a generic non-binary kind of “they”) on time? That’s really all the customers care about.

Found it! From 2016. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-...-women-pilots/

Was the public lied to yesterday?

 

Outsider looking in.

So the “problem” is that in 5 years or so there may be a slight increase in the percentages of women and minorities hired on behind you guys on the seniority list?

 

Which is racist.

 

The problem is that they're being given an unfair advantage due to their demographics.

 

Not at all. We were talking about the difference between investing in increasing early-stage opportunities and merely offering quota-based jobs to under-qualified individuals. My point is, the Aviate initiative is a quota-based program, but at the training stage- not the employment stage. It doesn’t guarantee anyone a job, but the intention is that the program can help individuals from certain groups become more competitive by the time they reach the interview stage. IOW, increasing the number of competitive minority candidates eventually translates into more minorities employed through merit-based hiring.