Originally Posted by HanYolo

Except, you are upset over CENTURIES of oppression against black people in South Africa and they are finally trying to change it back. The Dutch invaded South Africa in the mid 1650s and enslaved and colonized. I am sorry to hear you are struggling with this, but after about 350 years, I get that they have had enough.

Originally Posted by baseball

I recall a simulator check out and a panel of Senior Airline Captains at the interview. Some HR person looked at the paperwork after the interview was over. That's how it should be done.

Notice how the FB forums that are involved in UAL are all shut down now. Provda has shutdown any pilot who discussed this topic on FB.

The FB moderators tell people to "call their union reps." Like, yeah, our snaggle tooth union reps are going to do what exactly?

Interesting. The company is going to finance this endeavor out of what money? Could it be our profit sharing? This Aviate program isn't going to be run for free. So, really, in the end, the pilots have to subsidize it anyway. Glad they asked us permission.

These candidates....They will sure be solid union members right? Nah. They gonna be beholding to the boss man for their job. It's a new kind of slavery. They got you by the balls before you even get hired. Management owns these guys and gals and they ain't even hired yet. ALPA hasn't said "boo" about all this. Interesting.............

Originally Posted by climb150

It may all be hot air. British Airways and Qantas announced similar hiring targets a few years ago. They got all the good PR and praise from political parties.

What happened next? They kept on doing what they did before. No changes, recruit the best who show up.

Originally Posted by Flydafe

I counter this thinking with the development of the civilian pilot training program that allowed the Tuskegee airmen to be created. Compared to their counterparts in the military they out performed everyone and never lost a bomber in combat. They became so desired by their Caucasian counterparts that they where given the name “by request” because they knew that they would come home if escorted by the Red Tails. They were requested multiple times and never failed... over 1500 missions. Many of your grandfathers were escorted by these men.

The standards were not lowered when the military included minority pilots.. the standards were shattered in that era and there is historical data to back it up.

History of The Tuskegee Airmen

Originally Posted by Ua10810

I was born a white male in South Africa and had to leave my entire damn family to move to another country to get a job as a pilot. I would never have the opportunity to be a pilot in the country I was born because I am white.

Originally Posted by KSwift76

I understand your frustration. I hear you when you say you feel like you are being discriminated against. I just can't figure out how. You, (I assume you are a white male) are still getting 50% of the opportunity. Everyone else has to split 50% of the opportunity.
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Originally Posted by AAL763

Well this has surely backfired on United. The ratio they’re getting on FB/Twitter is significant. People are not happy. Well deserved though. When a company goes woke, they go “broke.” If the target was to anger as many of their customers as possible, they hit the nail right on the head.

Originally Posted by KSwift76

Not at all. Here to tell the other side of the coin. I rarely post, but read a lot. If you search my post history, you will find several posts on other threads basically stating the same things I'm saying here. Giving other people an opportunity is not racist. Advocating for everyone to have a chance is not racist. Not once did I say white males should not have an opportunity or be excluded. In fact, 50% of the applicants will he white males. Also I did not say people should be accepted or hired if they are unqualified. My family rides on the back of our jets. I sure want a good, competent knowledgeable FO to help and give input based on their experience when things go wrong. I just believe that other people can also do this job and perhaps lack of opportunity or exposure or financing or maybe reading this thread makes them not want too. I don't proclaim to know what my colleagues are thinking at work. I know what has been said to me directly and indirectly. I know what I've heard when they know I'm on the room and when they don't know I'm in the room. I do not know everyone's intent. I do know what I hear from a large number of my fellow pilots.

It has to change. Thankfully UAL is taking positive steps to invest in people that have the ability to get qualified to operate our jets. White, Black, Brown, Gay, Straight, etc.... If you're qualified, you get a chance. I just don't want the same people who have traditionally held the keys to the gates with attitudes like several on here making those decisions. Again 50% minorities and women 50% (I assume white males) into the Academy with a chance to get into the pipeline. Hardly excluding anyone.