idlethrust

Any updates on life on the 756? Rsv times ? Qol?
Qucker upgrade on 756 or 737??
Are many intl trips coming back to the 756 now or is it mainly domestic???

ThumbsUp

Upgrades on a specific fleet are independent of what your coming from; it’s just seniority based. And in that regard, 756 CA is much more senior, system-wide. Junior 756 CA is about 3000 more senior than the junior 737 CA.

In terms of reserve, that varies widely with the base. EWR 756 G-line was an early 2019 hire, Some bases it’s over a decade ago.

FlewNavy

First time I've seen someone ask about upgrade times on the 756! Not something a new hire needs to be concerned about. Pilot hired today likely will be able to hold 737/320 captain in SFO/EWR in under 3 years. The 756 will likely be retired before a pilot hired today could ever hold the left seat. You might also likely be able to hold 737/320 captain before being a line holder on the 756 fleet depending on the base.

756 reserve is quite a bit unstable right now. Prior to COVID it was likely you would get a handful of short calls per month. Now - if you are left unassigned after all the flying assignments are made - everyone remaining on the list is getting converted to short call.

East coast 756 trips are predominantly international with a handful of domestic trips. West coast 756 trips are predominantly domestic and Hawaii.

idlethrust

Got it
thx
just trying to figure out the fastest route back to the left seat . Guess it will be the guppy .I’ve always wanted to fly the 75 though , I get excited every time I see one .
Thx for the info

But seriously

If you want to fly the 756, you can bid that as an FO, then upgrade in the 737.
What you fly as an FO has no bearing on how quickly you can upgrade.

If you want to upgrade into a plane you’ve flown, you can bid the 737, fly it for a year, then move to the 756. That’s more time in training than I’m interested in, but to each their own.

TodKindrsChikun

We do have these things called wide bodies. Extremely comfortable, a completely different airline, fewer legs translates into less threats, ability to sleep while getting paid (think 94.5), and a vastly improved QOL.

Hedley

The left seat is extremely important when building a resume, but once you get to where you want to be, it isn’t that important anymore. Once here, the focus is dollars per day, QOL, and control of your schedule. Some hate widebody flying and prefer domestic flying, others prefer international. At the end of the day, it’s about money and QOL. I’ve had quite a few senior FO’s who are passing on upgrade since they don’t want to take a pay cut. They have total control of their schedules, they get the vacation that they want, and the piece of mind of not being a slave to the company. Due to training buying trips and double dipping, or advertising the trips away and then picking up premium trips, they are crediting 120-130 hrs a month. Why upgrade and give up the benefits of seniority when you can stay in the right seat, have total control of your schedule, and make the same money? The WB guys really kill it. A friend is on the 787 and with premium trips, he routinely makes $3,000-4000 a month more than me while working fewer days. He’ll upgrade when he can hold the trips that he wants as a captain, or he’ll retire in the right seat.

idlethrust

[QUOTE=Hedley;3313320]The left seat is extremely important when building a resume, but once you get to where you want to be, it isn’t that important anymore. Once here, the focus is dollars per day, QOL, and control of your schedule. Some hate widebody flying and prefer domestic flying, others prefer international. At the end of the day, it’s about money and QOL. I’ve had quite a few senior FO’s who are passing on upgrade since they don’t want to take a pay cut. They have total control of their schedules, they get the vacation that they want, and the piece of mind of not being a slave to the company. Due to training buying trips and double dipping, or advertising the trips away and then picking up premium trips, they are crediting 120-130 hrs a month. Why upgrade and give up the benefits of seniority when you can stay in the right seat, have total control of your schedule, and make the same money? The WB guys really kill it. A friend is on the 787 and with premium trips, he routinely makes $3,000-4000 a month more than me while working fewer days. He’ll upgrade when he can hold the trips that he wants as a captain, or he’ll retire in the right seat.[/QUOTE



So with that being said , which fleet , in your opinion offers the best QOL, schedule flexibility, and ability to maximize monthly credit with aggressive pickups, etc .?

ThumbsUp

Everything is seniority based, so the the place to which you will either live in base or have an easy commute that is the most junior provides those things.

NB fleets at junior bases. Basically what you get as new hires anyway.

Hedley

[QUOTE=idlethrust;3313345]My opinion is that the 737 offers the quickest path for improvements for a new hire. The 320 is definitely a nicer cockpit, but it’s also a much smaller fleet that provides fewer options. From what I remember, you are coming from a CRJ-200, and anything you bid will be a huge improvement. Control of your schedule comes from seniority, and the quickest path to that will be on the 737. We have 40 max scheduled in 2022. In 2023 there are 121 max, and 16 NEO’s. Many of these are replacements, and how fast that happens will depend on the recovery. If we quickly retire the 50 seaters, retirement of old 320’s, 737’s, and the 757’s could be delayed to provide the lift. If another variant comes along and slows the recovery then they could be more heavily weighted toward replacements. Either way, according to the latest FT update, we have approximately 500 deliveries in the next 5 years and the overwhelming majority of those will be the max. The max is still just a 737, but it is definitely an improvement over the NG. The bus is more comfortable, but the 737 isn’t as bad as some people make it out to be. To get the perks of seniority on the 756, you’re going to have to be much more senior than either the 320 of 737. If you just got hired, welcome aboard, it’s a pretty good gig with something for everyone. Don’t be in a rush to upgrade or spend your career junior on a fleet chasing the next advancement. Find what you like, coast, and enjoy the ride.