UAL Vaccination
08-14-2021 | 10:16 PM
#1281
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Is this the part of the thread where all the pilots change lanes from being medical experts, to being legal experts? Can’t wait!
08-14-2021 | 10:43 PM
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Excerpts from the lawsuit document..apologies for the format but this is how it pasted:
5. Excerpts from Dr. Edward’s affidavit include:
In my expert medical opinion, subjecting airline pilots to the
emergency use authorized Covid-19 gene therapy injections
would subject them to a greater risk of harm than any benefit.
The above opinion is based on the following:
i. Pilots are vigorously screened and monitored for health
problems, and are generally regarded as extremely fit and
healthy. So, they are at a very low risk for developing
significant complications from an acquired infection with
Covid-19.
ii. Multiple published studies as well as me and my colleagues’
clinical experience shows that there are exceedingly effective
early outpatient therapies for Covid-19 that can reduce
hospitalization and mortality rates by 80-90%, even in an
unhealthy, high-risk population.
iii. The full benefit of the vaccine is still not well established as we
are still very, very early in the clinical trial phase and there
are multiple early indicators that the current dominant Delta
variant is not susceptible to being covered by the vaccine.
iv. A full understanding of the safety data and the probability of
adverse reactions is still very difficult to estimate based off the
fact the control group from the original study have now all
received the vaccine, the FDA and CDC have not held any
briefings to update clinicians, and we are relying on a self-
reporting system that was relatively unknown to healthcare
workers initially, is very cumbersome to use, is reportedly 2
months behind on data entry, and historically has been known
to only report 1-10% of adverse reactions. But, despite all of
that, there are still more deaths reported to VAERS, in
excess of 12,000 now, than all other vaccines combined
over the previous 2 decades. Many of the adverse outcomes and deaths are related to blood clotting
problems, including stroke, heart attack, and
pulmonary embolism. It is well established that airline
travel, due to altitude and prolonged sitting, is a risk
factor for blood clotting problems.
v. Lastly, the fact that pilots are responsible for the lives
of the crew and passengers onboard their aircraft, there
is even more of burden of proof on the individual or
entity who is attempting to mandate the pilots be
subjected to take part in the is clinical trial of covid-19
vaccine to prove that the benefit clearly outweighs the
risk and that there are no viable alternatives. It is my
very firm and sincere opinion that this standard has not been
met by the mandating entities.
5. Excerpts from Dr. Edward’s affidavit include:
In my expert medical opinion, subjecting airline pilots to the
emergency use authorized Covid-19 gene therapy injections
would subject them to a greater risk of harm than any benefit.
The above opinion is based on the following:
i. Pilots are vigorously screened and monitored for health
problems, and are generally regarded as extremely fit and
healthy. So, they are at a very low risk for developing
significant complications from an acquired infection with
Covid-19.
ii. Multiple published studies as well as me and my colleagues’
clinical experience shows that there are exceedingly effective
early outpatient therapies for Covid-19 that can reduce
hospitalization and mortality rates by 80-90%, even in an
unhealthy, high-risk population.
iii. The full benefit of the vaccine is still not well established as we
are still very, very early in the clinical trial phase and there
are multiple early indicators that the current dominant Delta
variant is not susceptible to being covered by the vaccine.
iv. A full understanding of the safety data and the probability of
adverse reactions is still very difficult to estimate based off the
fact the control group from the original study have now all
received the vaccine, the FDA and CDC have not held any
briefings to update clinicians, and we are relying on a self-
reporting system that was relatively unknown to healthcare
workers initially, is very cumbersome to use, is reportedly 2
months behind on data entry, and historically has been known
to only report 1-10% of adverse reactions. But, despite all of
that, there are still more deaths reported to VAERS, in
excess of 12,000 now, than all other vaccines combined
over the previous 2 decades. Many of the adverse outcomes and deaths are related to blood clotting
problems, including stroke, heart attack, and
pulmonary embolism. It is well established that airline
travel, due to altitude and prolonged sitting, is a risk
factor for blood clotting problems.
v. Lastly, the fact that pilots are responsible for the lives
of the crew and passengers onboard their aircraft, there
is even more of burden of proof on the individual or
entity who is attempting to mandate the pilots be
subjected to take part in the is clinical trial of covid-19
vaccine to prove that the benefit clearly outweighs the
risk and that there are no viable alternatives. It is my
very firm and sincere opinion that this standard has not been
met by the mandating entities.
08-15-2021 | 02:28 AM
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Agreed. I would guess that the arrogance that is associated with one believing that they can make public health decisions better than those who’ve devoted their careers to it may also lead one to believe that he or she can also take on the role of lawyer when the situation requires. My favorite part was the “me and my colleagues” part…. I would imagine that over the course of a 4 day he’d also tell you how UAL should be run, cause yes, he’s a renaissance man.
08-15-2021 | 04:30 AM
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From: B737 CAPT IAH
Looks like KEF just made the vaccine destination list. The email mentions trips scheduled to KEF requiring vaccinated crews, but no mention of transatlantic flights that list it as an alternate. Under LOA 21-02, does an ETOPS alternate that is on the list qualify as a restricted segment resulting in unvaccinated pilots being pulled without pay?
Typically, a divert to an ETOPS alternate would involve some type of EMER so I’d say shouldn’t be an issue. That is unless KEF says to use us as an ETOPS alternate, you must meet the requirements. Of course an EMER is just what it is. That can be dealt with once safely on the ground.
Perhaps a PDR to CASC would be in order. They will get you an answer I have no doubt.
08-15-2021 | 08:55 AM
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It's an excerpt...Guess they should've changed the words? You've clearly never been around docs if you think the English or handwriting will be done well.
08-15-2021 | 09:02 AM
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