Even If that’s true, historically, I don’t ever recall anyone being told they can’t shop somewhere, or play a round of golf, or told they can’t go to school if they don’t have a flu vaccine even though it’s at least twice as deadly as Covid for children. That’s also counting the fact that children are able to get a flu vaccine. NO ONE under 12 years old is vaccinated for Covid and they’re still twice as likely to die of the flu. btw, for children who die under 12 years old, they are 99.5% more likely to from something other than covid.

Again, being that no child under 12 years old is vaccinated for covid, using actual data and basic human logic, if you advocate for masks for kids or separate schools if the vaccine is ever available to them… then it makes absolutely zero sense to not advocate for it every flu season for eternity.

 

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A business in the private sector (which is what United Airlines is) has the right to mandate a vaccination. This has been upheld in the courts and I do not expect it to change. If you don’t like that, there are other places to work!!!

As I’ve said before, United Airlines has the reasonable expectation that all of its employees are ready to work. Being unvaccinated is not ready and able to work, because of the likelihood of vaccination passports. That is going to be a reality in the future to enter foreign countries. If you are unable to perform work, you are dead weight to the Company.

 

how about I quote directly from your source?

”Excess deaths not attributed to Covid-19 could reflect either immediate or delayed mortality from undocumented COVID-19 or Non-COVID-19 deaths as the secondary to the pandemic, such as from DELAYED care or BEHAVIORAL health crisis. Death rates from several non-COVID diseases (eg, heart disease, Alzheimer’s disease) increased during surges *LOCKDOWNS*. The mode does NOT adjust directly for population aging, which could contribute to an over estimate of excess deaths. Other study limitations include reliance on provisional data, inaccurate death certificates, and modeling assumptions.”

Using excess deaths is at best a pseudodata approach because it takes ALL excess deaths. Remember the lockdowns when people couldn’t or wouldn’t go to the doctor? Did you also know that it doesn’t just take into account t for diseases?

 

They should mandate the boosters every 6 months also. Otherwise, they obviously don’t care about other people and it’s strictly a PR move.

 

I think we should have 3 societies.

One, where everyone is vaccinated and everyone can do what the government allows them to.

Second, where you can choose to be vaccinated and you’re privileged and free to do as we’ve done since 1776 regardless of vaccination status.

And a third society, where if you get the original vaccine but are too lazy to get the follow up boosters, youre only privileged enough to do limited activities since you’re only slightly less of a murderer than people in the second society.

Also, anyone in the first society who goes longer than 6 months without getting a booster must be placed in the third society until they get said booster. Then after an additional two week “third society quarantine” they can reset the 6 month clock and rejoin the first society.

 

Just my .02 but the issue isn’t really the vaccine.

The issue is trust in our leadership and institutions. (Government, media, large employers) In order to gain/retain power and profit, all of these institutions have systematically tended to “pick a side” , sell themselves as the moral superior to the opposition content in the knowledge that if you can capture “brand loyalty” , especially brand loyalty by appealing to the psychological idea that by “buying this”, “voting for that”, “reading or watching this vs that” or being part of a certain group that makes you at a minimum intellectually superior and at a maximum morally superior to a fellow citizen who disagrees.

The “right” has done it. (The Moral Majority political machine in the 80’s and early 90’s) and the left has done it and in so doing they (the political, cultural, educational, business) leadership institutions have thoroughly siloed the citizens into basically two tribes. There is no room for ambiguity. There is no room for nuance. There is no quarter given for questioning of narrative or dissent.

Because of this, in general, our citizenry now has a tendency to only trust and believe in their tribal leadership, and they tend to do so unwaveringly so even if their are valid counter arguments to at least be considered. The easiest way to shut down the debate/discussion of the counter arguments is to declare everything an emergency and use your authority to narrow who gets to decide “policy”. Trump doesn’t get funding for the boarder …. Fine…. Emergency authority to pull funds approved by Congress for one thing to use for another. DeBlazio didn’t get the vaccine results he wanted voluntarily…fine we’ll shut down your access to commerce. YouTube doesn’t think a discussion of Ivermectin…. we’ll remove you from the platform. United doesn’t get the voluntary support for vaccines so they can advertise that THEIR airline is safer than the rest… vaccine or termination.

And then, while wielding their authority, they will often undermine what thin shred of credibility they have by not adhering to their own rules of “morality”. Right wing “moralists” caught in torrid affairs. Left wing governors and mayors violating their own mask and distancing policies. Right wing constitutionalists supporting thoroughly unconstitutional policies.

There is virtually no leadership by example. There is no sacrifice for principle to be paid by leadership. There’s just, lying, manipulation and mandate.

So there is no trust… except for your tribe, and even that can be sketchy.

All that to say, at the end of the day… right or left…. don’t blame your fellow citizen. Put the blame where it belongs,…. On collectively, what is probably some of the worst “leadership” the US has had in its 250 yr existence. On at least THAT issue, we MIGHT be able to still find common ground.

 

There is a lot of misinformation in this post...

1) Fauci isn't calling for booster shots except for those that are taking immune suppressing drugs or have an autoimmune condition. This isn't because the vaccine "wears off" it's because vaccines don't work while one's immune system is suppressed.

2) Children are not more likely to die from the flu. There have been more deaths due to flu than due to COVI - that's not the same thing.

3) This is probably a pointless argument.

 

What "tribe" specifically is against the vaccine?

 

I think it’s clear no side is against the vaccine, but rather against vaccine mandates.