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Old 08-07-2021 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
That’s not true. Every talking head on TV was saying we need to get vaccines into arms because that creates more dead ends for the virus. And I’m in favor of people choosing to get the shot personally, but please stop trying to rewrite history.
You may be misquoting me from a different poster or something. I don't disagree with this.
Old 08-07-2021 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
That’s not true. Every talking head on TV was saying we need to get vaccines into arms because that creates more dead ends for the virus. And I’m in favor of people choosing to get the shot personally, but please stop trying to rewrite history.
I wouldn’t base history on what TV anchors were saying. The primary focus of the vaccines as stated by their developers was protecting the vaccinated individual. Initial data showed them to also be very effective at reducing transmission- which was encouraging, and became built into the strategy for a lot of people. The Delta variant is now showing itself to be more resilient against current vaccines. They still reduce spread, but not as effectively as against earlier variants; so the strategy is starting to look more like it did initially. (I.e., mask up & vaccinate as many as possible.) What people are interpreting as “flip-flopping” is actually just a response to the reality of a mutating virus. It’s not history being rewritten, but the present in real time.
Old 08-07-2021 | 07:47 AM
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99.997% Survival rate even among the infected "without" a vaccine. That's 1 in 100,000. Ebola killed 5 out of 10 people. I think that is a true pandemic.



Yet you takeoff in a airplane everyday with higher risks of being killed and taking along 100+ public citizens who also made a calculated risk to board your aircraft.

This isn't conspiracy theory propaganda. You have all been manipulated to fear living in a world that will eternally 'have risks' and in the process have affirmed your willingness to submit to authority and chase inevitable risk-zero metrics.
Old 08-07-2021 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
I wouldn’t base history on what TV anchors were saying. The primary focus of the vaccines as stated by their developers was protecting the vaccinated individual. Initial data showed them to also be very effective at reducing transmission- which was encouraging, and became built into the strategy for a lot of people. The Delta variant is now showing itself to be more resilient against current vaccines. They still reduce spread, but not as effectively as against earlier variants; so the strategy is starting to look more like it did initially. (I.e., mask up & vaccinate as many as possible.) What people are interpreting as “flip-flopping” is actually just a response to the reality of a mutating virus. It’s not history being rewritten, but the present in real time.
There isn't much peer reviewed evidence showing Delta is more transmittable. The data out of the UK shows it may be somewhat more transmittable. It is certainly not more fatal.

The CDC has not presented peer reviewed, published evidence showing Delta is more transmittable.

Coronaviruses are common. There are trillions of virus mutations throughout history. The problem is the political response to the virus. The irrationality and hysteria.

Masks do nothing to reduce communal spread. This has been shown in peer reviewed literature, repeatedly. They are nothing more than politically based pseudo science.

The damage done because of the response to COVID has been much more severe than the disease itself, by orders of magnitude.

Coronavirus continues to be a threat to those unvaccinated and those with pre conditions and immune system dysfunction. Mostly, it effects elderly obese men. The rest of us....well, there are more important things to worry about.
Old 08-07-2021 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Skycap876


Yet you takeoff in a airplane everyday with higher risks of being killed and taking along 100+ public citizens who also made a calculated risk to board your aircraft.
do you actually think the risk of dying in an airplane is higher than the risk of covid death? Or am i
misunderstanding this comment?
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Originally Posted by Skycap876
99.997% Survival rate even among the infected "without" a vaccine. That's 1 in 100,000. Ebola killed 5 out of 10 people. I think that is a true pandemic.



Yet you takeoff in a airplane everyday with higher risks of being killed and taking along 100+ public citizens who also made a calculated risk to board your aircraft.

This isn't conspiracy theory propaganda. You have all been manipulated to fear living in a world that will eternally 'have risks' and in the process have affirmed your willingness to submit to authority and chase inevitable risk-zero metrics.
Those aren't facts..
Old 08-07-2021 | 07:55 AM
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CDC Director Dr.Rochelle Walensky told Wolf Blitzer on Friday that the COVID vaccine cannot prevent the transmission of the disease.

Dr. Rochelle Walensky: Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta in regard to severe illness and death being prevented. But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.
Old 08-07-2021 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus;[url=tel:3275256
3275256[/url]]Your lack of knowledge for basic virology doesn't make your opinions any more correct. You admit the vaccine reduces symptoms, keeps people out of the hospital, and overall greatly reduces transmission.... and then you dance around some conspiracy nonsense. This ends when hospitals aren't flooded with people on ventilators and we can keep the R value below 1. Right now the delta variant has an R value above 5 in non vaccinated populations and an R value of 1.37 in nj (one of the most vaccinated states).

Or we can just keep pretending the majority of virologists and epidemiologists are all in one big conspiracy.
I’ll ask you then, what determines the end of the pandemic and how do we get there?
Old 08-07-2021 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
So, the one doctor you know?

According to the AMA, 96% of doctors are vaccinated. Of the 4% that aren't, less than half of them say they won't.
Not jumping in this fight since I don’t work for United, but the 96% of doctors that are vaccinated was out for a survey of 351.

Not a large sample size.

https://www.ama-assn.org/system/file...ine-report.pdf
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus;[url=tel:3275256
3275256[/url]]Your lack of knowledge for basic virology doesn't make your opinions any more correct. You admit the vaccine reduces symptoms, keeps people out of the hospital, and overall greatly reduces transmission.... and then you dance around some conspiracy nonsense. This ends when hospitals aren't flooded with people on ventilators and we can keep the R value below 1. Right now the delta variant has an R value above 5 in non vaccinated populations and an R value of 1.37 in nj (one of the most vaccinated states).

Or we can just keep pretending the majority of virologists and epidemiologists are all in one big conspiracy.
I have not admitted that, and you keep assigning your opinion to my comments. I’m asking in light of people believing that; when does the pandemic end? We were told the vax would be the key to ending the pandemic, but now are told it won’t stop the spread.

I and others have posted numerous actual research results directly from the sources and not media outlets, but you ignore or gaslight because it doesn’t fit your Virtue Signaling.
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