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Old 08-07-2021, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Wildflyin;[url=tel:3275570
3275570[/url]]Science progresses by research and learning...it's not moving the goal posts, it's progress in understanding. What we thought we knew months ago might not be supported now, and may well be changing again in the future, or changing back! At the end of the day, those researchers, scientists and virologists know more than we do about the subject, so yes I trust them, just as I expect them to trust me when it comes to aviation.
Thanks, that is actually a sensible reply, sincerely. One thing that is not changing for me is the fact that I’ve already had Covid and the consistent research on previously affected people convinces me that at this point in time the vaccination is not necessary.
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Old 08-07-2021, 03:49 PM
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If you live in Illinois, check out the Loyola university student ruling.

You have a case. There's a 2016 law passed that protects you.

No need to take the jab, unless you want to.
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Old 08-07-2021, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
You talk about enough people surviving, 99.97 will not die.
Let's see, if 10% of our pilots are unvaccinated that is up to 1500 pilots (Actually, that number is high but I'm being charitable and I'm not going to waste my time getting an exact number). We've lost two of them in just the last couple of weeks. Oh, and we have no idea how many of those 1500 have actually survived it already (a quick Google search suggests at least 10% of Americans total so far). Sure, it is a very small sample size, but just among our peers it is at best a 99.866 survival rate right now and it can only get worse.

If simply driving your car had that survival rate most of us would have been dead decades ago. May the odds be ever in your favor.
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Old 08-07-2021, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Wildflyin
Science progresses by research and learning...it's not moving the goal posts, it's progress in understanding. What we thought we knew months ago might not be supported now, and may well be changing again in the future, or changing back! At the end of the day, those researchers, scientists and virologists know more than we do about the subject, so yes I trust them, just as I expect them to trust me when it comes to aviation.
It normally takes 5-10 years for vac trials.

I trust the science when done properly.


Sad to see the few on here willing to slam the cell doors on even one brother/sister.

So much for unity

You've brought us all down.
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Old 08-07-2021, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Drum
If you live in Illinois, check out the Loyola university student ruling.

You have a case. There's a 2016 law passed that protects you.

No need to take the jab, unless you want to.
Senior folks please read. This is good advice for those of you on the fence and senior to me. If things don’t work out for you Drum takes full responsibility for his advice. You can’t lose!
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Originally Posted by CLazarus
Let's see, if 10% of our pilots are unvaccinated that is up to 1500 pilots (Actually, that number is high but I'm being charitable and I'm not going to waste my time getting an exact number). We've lost two of them in just the last couple of weeks. Oh, and we have no idea how many of those 1500 have actually survived it already (a quick Google search suggests at least 10% of Americans total so far). Sure, it is a very small sample size, but just among our peers it is at best a 99.866 survival rate right now and it can only get worse.

If simply driving your car had that survival rate most of us would have been dead decades ago. May the odds be ever in your favor.
Where did you pull that out of?

Your precedent as a company is going to hurt a lot of people in this profession.

Your union rolling over on it is deplorable. But hey, it's your union not mine.

Too bad you are blind to it.


Sad. Times. Follow.

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Old 08-07-2021, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by GolferNJ;[url=tel:3275580
3275580[/url]]Senior folks please read. This is good advice for those of you on the fence and senior to me. If things don’t work out for you Drum takes full responsibility for his advice. You can’t lose!

yeah, you’ll move up the list a whole .3%.
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
yeah, you’ll move up the list a whole .3%.
So we’re down to .3% on the fence? Still, that’s almost 40 people in one month. I’ll take it.
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Originally Posted by CLazarus;[url=tel:3275578
3275578[/url]]Let's see, if 10% of our pilots are unvaccinated that is up to 1500 pilots (Actually, that number is high but I'm being charitable and I'm not going to waste my time getting an exact number). We've lost two of them in just the last couple of weeks. Oh, and we have no idea how many of those 1500 have actually survived it already (a quick Google search suggests at least 10% of Americans total so far). Sure, it is a very small sample size, but just among our peers it is at best a 99.866 survival rate right now and it can only get worse.

If simply driving your car had that survival rate most of us would have been dead decades ago. May the odds be ever in your favor.

The odds are in my favor, my family and I had it, no problem.
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Originally Posted by Wildflyin
Science progresses by research and learning...it's not moving the goal posts, it's progress in understanding. What we thought we knew months ago might not be supported now, and may well be changing again in the future, or changing back! At the end of the day, those researchers, scientists and virologists know more than we do about the subject, so yes I trust them, just as I expect them to trust me when it comes to aviation.
Those same scientists that said there was no way it cane out of a lab in China? Those same scientists of the CDC that said that a year ago? Those same scientists that have since changed their minds after more evidence? So when is the expected result the actual result? Until the expected = actual with evidence it's all just a hypothesis, which is at best where we are now. So to call a hypothesis answer science is just neglence at this point.
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