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Old 08-07-2021 | 04:19 PM
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...but that is EXACTLY what science is...a series of best guesses to get as close to the truth as possible.
that's exactly what I'm saying. But to say people are denying science at x time is unreasonable because of the assumptions are just assumptions. Until correlation =1 then there are variables. Science is only as good as the data. If you follow the science that China is putting out the virus started out of an army lab and they have (data) science to back it up.

Look I'm not saying people shouldn't get the vaccine. They should do what is right for them. No government or company should dictate someone's personal health status nore force them to comply with unreasonable requirements as proof of their status. Last I knew you couldn't be fired or denied a job because of your medical status. Good to know compaines can start firing those they deem as medically inferior, I thought we got past the HIV/aids phase of scared. But guess we didnt...
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Whew….. interesting read. Genuine question: Out of curiosity, who is the company saying they are trying to protect?

A. The voluntarily unvaccinated?
B. The vaccinated?
C. The involuntarily unvaccinated? (can’t get the vax for some reason.)

or D. The financial success recovery of the company?
Old 08-07-2021 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Der Meister
that's exactly what I'm saying. But to say people are denying science at x time is unreasonable because of the assumptions are just assumptions. Until correlation =1 then there are variables. Science is only as good as the data. If you follow the science that China is putting out the virus started out of an army lab and they have (data) science to back it up.

Look I'm not saying people shouldn't get the vaccine. They should do what is right for them. No government or company should dictate someone's personal health status nore force them to comply with unreasonable requirements as proof of their status. Last I knew you couldn't be fired or denied a job because of your medical status. Good to know compaines can start firing those they deem as medically inferior, I thought we got past the HIV/aids phase of scared. But guess we didnt...
You are comparing firing someone for contracting HIV/AIDS with firing someone for not getting vaccinated in the middle of a pandemic that will wipeout our industry if it is allowed to continue unabated? That is a wild comparison.
Old 08-07-2021 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by av8or
Whew….. interesting read. Genuine question: Out of curiosity, who is the company saying they are trying to protect?

A. The voluntarily unvaccinated?
B. The vaccinated?
C. The involuntarily unvaccinated? (can’t get the vax for some reason.)

or D. The financial success recovery of the company?
Haven’t seen it written down, but my guess is B, C and D. Does that help?
Old 08-07-2021 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GolferNJ;[url=tel:3275621
3275621[/url]]You are comparing firing someone for contracting HIV/AIDS with firing someone for not getting vaccinated in the middle of a pandemic that will wipeout our industry if it is allowed to continue unabated? That is a wild comparison.
it’s going to continue regardless, and not wipe out the industry. Full airports already prove that. mandating the vax is optics.
Old 08-07-2021 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by GolferNJ
You are comparing firing someone for contracting HIV/AIDS with firing someone for not getting vaccinated in the middle of a pandemic that will wipeout our industry if it is allowed to continue unabated? That is a wild comparison.
Even if you do get vaccinated you can still get covid. So do those who don't get vaccinated and get fired get punished. While those who do get vaccinated and get covid and spread it to others don't? Seems like a double standard to me. A double standard that is based off your health status... Sars, bird flu, swine flu, mad cow, ect... just to name a few; those are all pandemics in the last 20 ish years. Somehow we have all survived...
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Originally Posted by av8or;[url=tel:3275619
3275619[/url]]Whew….. interesting read. Genuine question: Out of curiosity, who is the company saying they are trying to protect?

A. The voluntarily unvaccinated?
B. The vaccinated?
C. The involuntarily unvaccinated? (can’t get the vax for some reason.)

or D. The financial success recovery of the company?
Interesting thought. None of those are appreciably affected by forcing employees to get the vaccine.
Old 08-07-2021 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Der Meister
Even if you do get vaccinated you can still get covid. So do those who don't get vaccinated and get fired get punished. While those who do get vaccinated and get covid and spread it to others don't? Seems like a double standard to me. A double standard that is based off your health status... Sars, bird flu, swine flu, mad cow, ect... just to name a few; those are all pandemics in the last 20 ish years. Somehow we have all survived...
What your saying makes no sense. If you get vaccinated and contract COVID you go on sick leave. When you feel better you go back to work. If you don’t get vaccinated you get fired. Where in the policy does it mention what happens if you get sick other than a very lenient policy to keep people from coming to work sick? Somehow firing someone for HIV is the same?
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Originally Posted by GolferNJ
You are comparing firing someone for contracting HIV/AIDS with firing someone for not getting vaccinated in the middle of a pandemic that will wipeout our industry if it is allowed to continue unabated? That is a wild comparison.
“Unabated”…. Man it’d sure be helpful if someone could give us a definition of what sufficiently “abated” to where we return to a state of personal choice, agency etc instead of ever changing mandates. Haven’t heard one, and honestly, some folks seem totally good with that.
Old 08-07-2021 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GolferNJ
What your saying makes no sense. If you get vaccinated and contract COVID you go on sick leave. When you feel better you go back to work. If you don’t get vaccinated you get fired. Where in the policy does it mention what happens if you get sick other than a very lenient policy to keep people from coming to work sick? Somehow firing someone for HIV is the same?
There's no point in having a conversation with you. I can tell you are willing to throw everyone who doesn't think the same as you under the bus and call it progress. The nazis would be proud of your utopian ideals, I hear they were very proud of the way they dealt with those they deemed medically inferior.

Just hear me out why don't we have people carry around papers proving their status. Then we should make those who have not been vaccinated wear a pin or something so they can be easily identified... 😉

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