Two new hires fired?
08-08-2021 | 08:52 AM
#71
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The vaccine prevents infection in overwhelming numbers.
The non vaccinated have no prevention.
Therefor the unvaccinated stand a much larger chance of getting Covid and spreading throughout the community.
And for those who have had Covid, won’t be long before your “immunity” from previous variants dont hold up against new ones
It’s all moot at this point now. Mandates are coming, get the vaccine or find a new career. So no reason to continue to try to convince those who haven’t.
Just like a racehorse, sometimes you need to go to the whip. The whip is coming.
08-08-2021 | 08:55 AM
#72
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Anecdotally, I've heard of some vaccination sites in the early days that didn't bother, and there's always the possibility of errors.
But even so a legit vaccine card should be able to be verified as appearing to be legit and consistent with the vaccine site, batch numbers, signature, etc. Also thing like appointment calendars, emails, etc can help verify.
A fake card would likely be very easy to verify as fake if you went to the trouble... vaccination site didn't exist, dates wrong, batch numbers wrong or more likely totally invalid, signatures can't be reconciled with a real provider, etc.
But you'd have to be pretty stupid to quit your old job and take a new one planning to rely on a cheap fake document... that's on par with showing up with a fake 1C medical. UAL is better off without them. Assuming it's even true and there's anybody actually that stoopid.
08-08-2021 | 08:58 AM
#73
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They knew the requirements to get hired here which included being vaccinated as a new-hire. The fact that their documents were forged shows willful intent to submit something so they could take a job. If true, then good riddance to them and to any current pilot or employee who submitted a forged vaccination card.
08-08-2021 | 08:59 AM
#74
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But you have a much higher chance of infecting someone else who might be in a higher risk group. Employers have the right to mitigate that risk, and also the risk of the associated operational and financial disruption (government does not IMO).
08-08-2021 | 09:01 AM
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“Tim” had to go online and register in order to get the vaccine. His information exists elsewhere beyond that card.
08-08-2021 | 09:04 AM
#76
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My information wasn't initially found in the database, even when I called. I sent in an image of my card and they corrected their database. Same issue with my wife's vaccination ... her last name was misspelled.
We finally sorted it out and now it all checks in the database.
I doubt this was the case with these two; they probably bought fake cards on the internet.
We finally sorted it out and now it all checks in the database.
I doubt this was the case with these two; they probably bought fake cards on the internet.
But an obvious forgery is a different animal, and will have elements which have no reasonable doubt, and cannot be explained away. Stoopid.
08-08-2021 | 09:04 AM
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It's amazing and disturbing to me that there are airline pilots who are not only ignorant of the most basic medical privacy laws, but seem to be ok with an employer being able to do what amount to health background checks on them, which if allowed would be a violation of the law on the part of the healthcare provider. Any information that your doctor, pharmacy, nurse, health aide, state vaccination database, insurance company, etc, etc has about you is protected under law making it where only you and your healthcare providers can access such information, unless you specifically let the provider know that some other person or entity is allowed to access your records. This includes the state vaccination databases that mostly exist to help healthcare providers and people to keep track of their vaccinations and be sure which ones they have and have not had, and of course the state can say "this is how many covid shots we have administered". Bureaucrats, police, etc can't go snooping in there to see who has taken the shots and who hasn't or to try to find whatever health information they can find about a particular individual. These databases don't exist for the purpose of allowing employers to do healthcare background checks on employees either, and if an employer were to gain such access to a database like this, it would be most certainly be in a fraudulent manner. Insurance companies also cannot even share with the employer what they have covered for an employee. If they did, this would be a violation of the law on the part of the insurance provider. If you call out sick, your employer can ask you for a doctor's note. If they call the doctor to verify that you are actually sick, the doctor's office cannot even legally tell them that you are a patient. These laws were created back when both major political parties in the United States believed that people have a right to keep their medical records private from employers, police, government, stalkers, and others who may want access to such records in order to discriminate against or do harm to an individual. There is no national database (at least if there was, it would be maintained illegally through the use of stolen/fraudulently obtained information) UAL can access to verify your vaccine status and if they tried to access a state database, it would most certainly be done under fraudulent pretenses since it doesn't seem like they're asking for signed permission to access your health records. Other than being consumed by the 24/7 propaganda being broadcasted/streamed on T.V., I cannot for the life of me why understand why anyone who grew up in the USA and paid attention to anything about 20th century history would think that having databases of any kind of medical information at all, that is accessible to anyone who wants it, is a good idea. It just boggles my mind. Thankfully before fascism became popular in America (and honestly both the left and the right have their own forms of fascism they support) we had laws established that, in effect, make it impossible for UAL or any other employer to reliably enforce mandates like this that insert an employer into people's personal decisions about their healthcare. The way these guys got caught was because they were mostly likely blabbing about what they did and somebody overheard them and/or turned them in. Beyond that, if UAL is verifying vaccine records, they are either asking employees to allow them to access a lot more than a covid vaccination status, or they they are mis-representing who they are in order to gain access to a state database without the employee knowing, which is at least as fraudulent as making a fake vaccination card.
08-08-2021 | 09:05 AM
#78
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Well little johnny, getting a shot IS highly, highly effective at keeping people out of hospitals. That keeps more hospital beds open and available if I need it for any other reason.
08-08-2021 | 09:17 AM
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I went to our state vaccination status portal and checked my status. The state had no record of me existing or any vaccines taken. I received both shots in January, telephone registration, local hospital system, after the first shot they gave me a card to put my name on while i did my mandatory social distanced 15 minute wait to see if i would react. Went back 2 weeks later and got my second... I would hope if someone doesn't show up in the database(s) they would do a little more research before firing them.
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