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hummingbear 01-10-2022 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 3350145)
Also keep in mind that that 5500 seniority WB captain is actually around 4800 due to the retirements we had between July of last year and today. His (and yes-it is a he) seniority will be updated again in July when we do our annual seniority list update and thus the most junior WB captain will not be in the 5000 range but rather in the high 4000 range. Make sense?

Good point. I kind of hate the once yearly seniority recalculation program. I’m sure it works better for what they need, but it makes seniority analyses increasingly inaccurate the later it gets in the (seniority calendar) year.

ReadOnly7 01-10-2022 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3350198)
Good point. I kind of hate the once yearly seniority recalculation program. I’m sure it works better for what they need, but it makes seniority analyses increasingly inaccurate the later it gets in the (seniority calendar) year.

I also wish the company would post a DOH seniority list, at least for the post-merger hires. I understand that it’s a big secret so the L-XYZ pilots don’t resent the L-ABC pilots……but at some point it’s relevant information to the rest of us.

ThumbsUp 01-10-2022 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3350260)
I also wish the company would post a DOH seniority list, at least for the post-merger hires. I understand that it’s a big secret so the L-XYZ pilots don’t resent the L-ABC pilots……but at some point it’s relevant information to the rest of us.

That information (board date) is available in CCS, just not in a list.

Lumberg823 01-10-2022 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3350367)
That information (board date) is available in CCS, just not in a list.

Which tab in CCS? I thought I had checked out every tab on CCS but I have never come across DOH before.

ThumbsUp 01-10-2022 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Lumberg823 (Post 3350385)
Which tab in CCS? I thought I had checked out every tab on CCS but I have never come across DOH before.

It's in shares. Just put in any JA-(any employee number), and it will show the board date.

F15andMD11 01-10-2022 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by dmeg13021 (Post 3349961)
Fa•ce•tious (fuh•SEE•shus) (adj.)

He is merely pointing out the absurdity that a new hire selecting the 777 can potentially upgrade to 737 CA BEFORE they could legally bid 737 FO.

Ahh, copy.

F15andMD11 01-10-2022 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 3350145)
Also keep in mind that that 5500 seniority WB captain is actually around 4800 due to the retirements we had between July of last year and today. His (and yes-it is a he) seniority will be updated again in July when we do our annual seniority list update and thus the most junior WB captain will not be in the 5000 range but rather in the high 4000 range. Make sense?

No. I’ve heard this rational before. It’s all relative. So Jr WB Capt drops 1k. So do we all. What’s the difference?
Are you saying in July they’ll remove those that took early retirement? They didn’t remove them last year.

ReadOnly7 01-10-2022 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by F15andMD11 (Post 3350590)
No. I’ve heard this rational before. It’s all relative. So Jr WB Capt drops 1k. So do we all. What’s the difference?
Are you saying in July they’ll remove those that took early retirement? They didn’t remove them last year.

They’ll remove them when they aren’t sending them a check every month, I believe.
Your point still stands about all things being relative, however. It’s not like those guys being removed from the list is going to create any new vacancies.

hummingbear 01-11-2022 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by F15andMD11 (Post 3350590)
No. I’ve heard this rational before. It’s all relative. So Jr WB Capt drops 1k. So do we all. What’s the difference?

I think the difference is if you’re expecting to make WB CA when you hit 5500, that number isn’t fully accurate, since it last updated around 6 months ago. Also, considering early out pilots, the disparity between his company seniority & his bidding seniority may be much higher than it will be when you reach that same number. (I.e., his 5500 represents 4800 bidding seniority, but your eventual 5500 may actually represent 5300 bidding seniority, etc.)

Since seniority projections display in a month to month format- not annually- if you want to make an “apples to apples” forecast of when you’ll be at the same seniority point as today’s 5500 pilot, it would be more be more accurate to look at when you’ll hit 4800, rather than 5500.

(To be clear, I’m using the numbers presented in the post referenced- I haven’t run the numbers on 5500’s seniority.)

ReadyRsv 01-11-2022 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3350683)
I think the difference is if you’re expecting to make WB CA when you hit 5500, that number isn’t fully accurate, since it last updated around 6 months ago. Also, considering early out pilots, the disparity between his company seniority & his bidding seniority may be much higher than it will be when you reach that same number. (I.e., his 5500 represents 4800 bidding seniority, but your eventual 5500 may actually represent 5300 bidding seniority, etc.)

Since seniority projections display in a month to month format- not annually- if you want to make an “apples to apples” forecast of when you’ll be at the same seniority point as today’s 5500 pilot, it would be more be more accurate to look at when you’ll hit 4800, rather than 5500.

(To be clear, I’m using the numbers presented in the post referenced- I haven’t run the numbers on 5500’s seniority.)

This never works anyway because it assumes a static fleet and staffing levels.


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