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05-12-2022 | 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Old Tired

I'm not saying 1st year pay is poverty, but having to tip a couple of dollars each and every van ride will add up each month.

good lord you are cheap.. maybe we can nuke the van drivers - problem solved

05-12-2022 | 10:06 AM

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Cool. However, I reserve the right to mock you if you tell me that you're a crypto HODLer.

no crypto for me. I had to google HODLer.

05-12-2022 | 10:23 AM

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no crypto for me. I had to google HODLer.

LOL! Good to hear.

05-12-2022 | 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Old Tired

For the new hires, they don't make really much money at all the first year. Give the new guys a break since everything costs so much and it's harder each and every day to pay bills. Those $1-2 tips over time add up.

I buy halfwingers meals and drinks every chance I get. Should I stop since everything costs so much for me????

I also leave a tip for the maids but no need to go down that rabbit hole.

05-12-2022 | 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Old Tired

Ok, but that was, what, in the 90s-mid 2000s? When you account for the inflation, we are remarkably similar in terms of real dollars. Not to mention some us new guys (include me) are likely to either be furloughed or hurt bad in the recession. Airlines are now showing a reduction in bookings.

I'm not saying 1st year pay is poverty, but having to tip a couple of dollars each and every van ride will add up each month.

In 2008, I made less than $28,000 as a United FO. That’s a little less than $38,000 today, according to an inflation calculator I found online. I don’t consider that “remarkably similar” to today’s first year pay. And that was followed by over a 4 year furlough. So while our first year pay could use some improvement, it in my opinion is nothing like it used to be.

05-12-2022 | 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by navigatro

good lord you are cheap.. maybe we can nuke the van drivers - problem solved

You have to survive in order to succeed.

05-12-2022 | 08:07 PM

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Nope your first year pay is not remarkably similar today as compared to mine in 1997. Not even close, not to mention we had to pay for our own housing during initial training, all reserve was short call, just to name a couple of other things that have been dramatically improved.

I always tipped and you can too, don’t be “that” guy.

05-13-2022 | 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Airhoss

I got hired in 2000 at $24/hr. Call it $24K. I ran it through an inflation calculator and that's equivalent to just $40,070.24 today. During most of the last 22 years, there wasn't much inflation.
I always tipped as a halfwinger and I survived.
I've also been furloughed twice for almost 9 years total, on LTD for 3 years for cancer, and upgraded at the first opportunity ~18 1/2 years after I got hired.

Everyone has a financial sob story to tell. However, pilot financial sob stories are much more trivial than the financial sob stories of van driver and other service workers who work for tips.

05-13-2022 | 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JFS 3

Cool story, but that's some Paul Harvey nonsense. Assuming it was true (it isn't), it would be "ensure" in any case.

No matter how you spell it, I tip for prompt service, not for showing up to do your job. Sometimes I listen to the why I’m late story and sometimes it makes a difference.

Tip who you want, how much you want. I wont think any more or less of you.

05-15-2022 | 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy

I buy halfwingers meals and drinks every chance I get. Should I stop since everything costs so much for me????

I also leave a tip for the maids but no need to go down that rabbit hole.

Tip:
$2 for the hotel van
$5 for the limo drivers

Buy beer and food for every FO that tips, but not if they don't.