Originally Posted by fadec

American cities are garbage. That's the real reason we commute. High crime. High taxes. Working people are treated as criminals while actual criminals raid. Do you travel? Other cities are nice. Other cities are clean and organized and safe. American cities by comparison are trash. I don't care about scope. I don't care about pay. I don't care about positive space commutes or other carve outs. I only care that we come together as a people to defend our way of life against all domestic enemies. I won't live in a place where a 60 year old woman can't walk home alone at 2 am. It is the role of government to eliminate threats. Safety and happiness are primary goals. Pre-crime is necessary. Weak bureaucrats wax about justice they can't possibly achieve while honest people cheer for threats removed. Only God can do justice against violent criminals. Our only hope in action is to remove threatening individuals before they do more harm. Killing to prevent harm is justified. Killing because of harm is not justified. This is how you are judged by your government and this is how you must judge your government. The death penalty is immoral. Pre-crime is moral. Remove all threats and make our cities safe. When this is done the commuter problem will be solved.

Originally Posted by Whiskeyjet1

Thank you for pointing out how illogical that thinking is so perfectly. People get such narrow focus and just don’t seem to to care about helping their fellow pilots who may have a different situation.

Originally Posted by Chowdah

Add in there: intentional misreading/straw-manning

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Originally Posted by EAFF95

I love the old “My situation sucked and now yours should too” mentality of the people who made choices and may now regret them due to potential contractual updates.

Fun times watching from the outside.

Originally Posted by guppie

Good for them. Let the rational commuters buy a ticket if they wanna commute. No special privileges, just seniority. The way it is, baby

Originally Posted by Broncofan

If the positive space commuting actually becomes a thing, I’ll take them up on it. I’ve been wanting to move out of this high cost city for a while, and take that junior base upgrade. Being able to live wherever you want relatively stress free is a huge cost and QOL benefit.

Originally Posted by Knotcher

Please, that whole argument was just silly. There have to be lineholders, reserves, people on different fleets, instructors, etc. So there have to be provisions for these different groups. There doesn't have to be commuters, that is not a position within the company.

Originally Posted by HiPlaneDrifter

Break it down into voting groups. Age 61 and older will likely never see another contract. Expect this one to be heavily weighted for them. Commuters are another easy standing subgroup to gain votes from. Reserves are nebulous because it is “usually” a short lived status that people will hold their nose and suffer through. Pay, travel, scope impact everyone….but if you get enough votes from just pleasing a few groups the TA passes. It doesn’t have to come down to carve outs, but that’s been the theme lately.