Agreement In Principle
05-15-2022 | 01:55 PM
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That’s the beauty of this gig…… choices. As much as I hate commuting, and mine is ugly, my family and I would hate living anywhere remotely near one of our bases even more. We were miserable living in the burbs. Never again. Having said that though, it is my choice to live miles from civilization and I don’t expect others or the company to pay for my decision.
05-15-2022 | 02:30 PM
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05-15-2022 | 02:38 PM
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05-15-2022 | 03:39 PM
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Yeah kind of what I was getting at with my previous post about waiting to actually see what’s in the TA before getting all fired up about it. These guys are getting into a ****ing match over pure conjecture and rumor. Of course APC is fueled by trolls, blowhards and ignorance, so carry on.
this. Absolutely this.
05-15-2022 | 03:45 PM
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I’m at DAL, not UAL but of course your AIP is of great interest to us. The PSC debate is similar to what you’ll here at the big D. Many argue that commuting is a choice and for many such as myself that is true. My wife and I made the decision to move to the SC coast when our daughter went off to school.
But for many of our pilots the decision was not entirely theirs. MCO, BOS, MSY, DFW, MIA/FLL, CVG and PDX were all DAL pilot bases at one time. No longer.
In addition many of my young FO’s are married to working spouses in professional positions that are the primary breadwinners for their families. It would be much more disruptive for them to find a new job than for their husband/wife to commute.
Many pilots consider bases a major factor in the “which airline” decision. PSC will give a carrier a competitor advantage in recruitment over one that does not. With airlines fighting for and poaching new hires management knows this. They wouldn’t be in the offering if they didn’t.
This is a extremely cyclical industry and unless you are in your last few years it’s a complete crapshoot whether your airline, let alone your base will still exist in 5 years.
PSC is a benefit you just might find yourself in need of someday. Don’t knock it if you can get it in indelible ink.
But for many of our pilots the decision was not entirely theirs. MCO, BOS, MSY, DFW, MIA/FLL, CVG and PDX were all DAL pilot bases at one time. No longer.
In addition many of my young FO’s are married to working spouses in professional positions that are the primary breadwinners for their families. It would be much more disruptive for them to find a new job than for their husband/wife to commute.
Many pilots consider bases a major factor in the “which airline” decision. PSC will give a carrier a competitor advantage in recruitment over one that does not. With airlines fighting for and poaching new hires management knows this. They wouldn’t be in the offering if they didn’t.
This is a extremely cyclical industry and unless you are in your last few years it’s a complete crapshoot whether your airline, let alone your base will still exist in 5 years.
PSC is a benefit you just might find yourself in need of someday. Don’t knock it if you can get it in indelible ink.
05-15-2022 | 03:50 PM
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05-15-2022 | 04:08 PM
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05-15-2022 | 04:31 PM
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Also true. It is still an odd way to tackle the issue. I’d say that many people chose to commute for various reasons. Many of these reasons have nothing to do with cost of living in a specific domicile. If you want to address cost of living, just pay people more in high cost locations. That’s how it is done in virtually any other industry. NYC, SEA, Bay Area and LA are on very different pay scales than the rest of the country.
05-15-2022 | 05:04 PM
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05-15-2022 | 05:15 PM
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The country it rapidly changing. Most of the mega bases at all airlines are becoming unlivable or unlivable with a kid in a public school. Airline management doesn't want to pay a proper airline Captain wage for a person living in New York or LA so a positive space ticket is a win for them going into the future.
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