C11 LEC Chair Changes his mind
06-28-2022 | 06:26 PM
#11
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If he had any integrity or self-respect he wouldn’t leave it to someone else to hold him accountable, he’d do it on his own immediately. He better crawl back into the dark hole cesspool of hell with the rest of these demons who would sacrifice their own brethren for personal gain and never show his face again. He doesnt get a pass! He would have happily seen this come to pass if the membership had been asleep at the wheel. He only got cold feet after the ensuing uproar.
There is only one honorable way out…
There is only one honorable way out…
06-28-2022 | 06:45 PM
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I’m giving him some credit. From what I’ve seen he did this own his own based on what his pilots are telling him. That gets him a pass on round 1 of recalls if he was my rep. Now if he backs sending in the same Negotiating team and doesn’t vote to send them and Brad H back to the line, we’ll know it was political……
But let’s give a pass to a guy who caved to nasty emails and social media hate? You want to throw them all out, start with the dude with zero awareness of his LEC and ZERO spine.
06-28-2022 | 07:35 PM
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You aren’t recalling MEC, Yes voting LEC, and firing NC while getting a better deal in next 6-18 months.
But let’s give a pass to a guy who caved to nasty emails and social media hate? You want to throw them all out, start with the dude with zero awareness of his LEC and ZERO spine.
But let’s give a pass to a guy who caved to nasty emails and social media hate? You want to throw them all out, start with the dude with zero awareness of his LEC and ZERO spine.
Just my humble opinion.
I’ll put on my flame suit now lol
06-28-2022 | 07:44 PM
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Regardless if these people who were for it previously, suddenly "see the light" and want to be forgiven, they need to be recalled. They have already demonstrated poor judgment and are not the type of people we want influencing our careers. They might be good people but I don't want them negotiating on our behalf. I'd rather have a jerk with our best interests in mind in office than a nice person who makes poor decisions.
Just my opinion on the matter.
Just my opinion on the matter.
06-28-2022 | 07:56 PM
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I’m saying this CA publicly put out that he screwed up and is trying to make it right. He’s not out there every day playing used car salesman like the NC and Brad are and doubling down on this TA. So yes I think people screw up and when they own it sometimes they deserve a second chance. I may be in the minority and I’m as firm a No voter as you’ll find, but I still think second chances can be earned. I don’t care if it take 6-18 months. Our current contract is light years ahead on QOL/QOWL and I’d rather have it than the TA. If he believes what he wrote then he’s actually an asset to the pilots of C11.
Just my humble opinion.
I’ll put on my flame suit now lol
Just my humble opinion.
I’ll put on my flame suit now lol
We are culturally hard-wired to want to support someone who has ‘learned the error of their ways’ but what if they are merely inept? Is that a risk that is acceptable?
06-28-2022 | 08:04 PM
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Sometimes you need to bring your best…
06-28-2022 | 08:09 PM
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This is as bad a TA I’ve seen since UAL went through bankruptcy. So no this isn’t normal. But this is also the first time in my time here that we weren’t polled and the negotiators were just winging it for almost 4 yrs
06-28-2022 | 08:16 PM
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That being said,, this is the first TA in my 25+ years that has received this level of opposition. My normal IRL friends that are very even keeled and reasonable are universally opposed to the TA.
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