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Old 08-19-2022 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
As you have been told, yes they can. Be VERY thankful the TA wasn’t passed. In the TA another huge give was that your freeze starts at award. Essentially locking you in from bidding down in subsequent bids even if you hadn’t started training.
To be clear, under current book, a new hire has an 8-D-1 equipment training freeze that starts on day 1 of basic indoc per 8-D-5. That means they may bid up in band but not laterally or down. The company may decide to waive freezes on a case by case basis after consultation with the SSC per 8-D-6.
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Old 08-19-2022 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by frascaflyer
To be clear, under current book, a new hire has an 8-D-1 equipment training freeze that starts on day 1 of basic indoc per 8-D-5. That means they may bid up in band but not laterally or down. The company may decide to waive freezes on a case by case basis after consultation with the SSC per 8-D-6.
Thanks for that. I didn’t realize the new hire or returning furlough item was there in 8-D-5 qualifying BI as the “start of training”. I learned something new. It’s been 26 yrs since I was a new hire in my defense
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Old 08-19-2022 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
Be VERY thankful the TA wasn’t passed. In the TA another huge give was that your freeze starts at award. Essentially locking you in from bidding down in subsequent bids even if you hadn’t started training.
Rumor has it TA2 will fix this so that your seat lock starts on the day of your job offer & lasts in perpetuity. You can get a UAL employee number but you’re frozen on type & pay at your present regional or military position for the rest of your career.
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Old 08-19-2022 | 07:04 PM
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253 Captain vacancies and 556 FO vacancies.

Who wants to bet on how many 737 CA go unfilled? I’m guessing 100.
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Old 08-19-2022 | 11:39 PM
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253 Captain vacancies and 556 FO vacancies.

Who wants to bet on how many 737 CA go unfilled? I’m guessing 100.
I’d take that bet.
Over 1200 people hired a year ago coming off probation, most on the coast, wouldn’t be a bad exchange for that pay bump based on their current schedules
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Old 08-20-2022 | 03:33 AM
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I’d take that bet.
Over 1200 people hired a year ago coming off probation, most on the coast, wouldn’t be a bad exchange for that pay bump based on their current schedules
yeah, but….back on reserve again.
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Old 08-20-2022 | 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
yeah, but….back on reserve again.
Back on reserve? I never left reserve. Went Airbus FO on reserve to CA on reserve.
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Old 08-20-2022 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by KnightNight
I’d take that bet.
Over 1200 people hired a year ago coming off probation, most on the coast, wouldn’t be a bad exchange for that pay bump based on their current schedules
This is true & unfortunately I think is crushing our resolve to fight for meaningful pay increases. With the 15% or so we’ve lost to inflation since our last bump, NB FO is no longer meeting a lot of people’s needs. But since pretty much anyone can hold NB CA now, it’s not seen as a problem- just upgrade in 12 months if you need more $$$! Obviously that’s not a realistic long-term solution. FO will go back to a decade+ gig eventually. It used to pay accordingly & needs to keep up with the changing times.
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Old 08-20-2022 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
This is true & unfortunately I think is crushing our resolve to fight for meaningful pay increases. With the 15% or so we’ve lost to inflation since our last bump, NB FO is no longer meeting a lot of people’s needs. But since pretty much anyone can hold NB CA now, it’s not seen as a problem- just upgrade in 12 months if you need more $$$! Obviously that’s not a realistic long-term solution. FO will go back to a decade+ gig eventually. It used to pay accordingly & needs to keep up with the changing times.
Yet many of us are updating apps non stop in hopes of getting a call, which I know does not help the contract causes.
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Old 08-20-2022 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by stang
Yet many of us are updating apps non stop in hopes of getting a call, which I know does not help the contract causes.
That’s always been the case. Our strength has always come from the unity of those on property, not any lack of hopeful applicants. We all welcome & understand those who want to work here. I’m just concerned that current opportunities are leading those of us already here to be okay with a system where instead of being a “cherry on top” end to a great career, upgrade is becoming more of an expedient necessity for a comfortable (not lavish) lifestyle.
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