UAL: Pay Raise Percent
09-13-2022 | 12:04 PM
#111
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I am not the one posting rates for an airline that probably won't exist in 24 months on the United forum. You can't fly 550 airplanes with 4300 active pilots. Next month when they have 4200 active pilots it is worse. When everyone just hired their best and brightest the brain drain is real and the training department is in shambles. I don't know how else to lay that out there for you.
09-13-2022 | 12:22 PM
#112
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I am not the one posting rates for an airline that probably won't exist in 24 months on the United forum. You can't fly 550 airplanes with 4300 active pilots. Next month when they have 4200 active pilots it is worse. When everyone just hired their best and brightest the brain drain is real and the training department is in shambles. I don't know how else to lay that out there for you.
The economics of flying at those rates per seat work for a subcontractor. That means they will work here. You don’t sign a new CPA where you know you’ll lose money each hour flown. If the rates aren’t sustainable you don’t sign new contracts. You shed flying and focus on not getting whacked with penalties for failure to perform. This isn’t what is happening.
I don’t know how else to lay it out there for you. I get it, you don’t think the regionals will exist in the future. I don’t either. I just think it has nothing to do with pay rates. Why are you so hellbent on a mediocre raise? We will never have a stronger case for a historic raise than now. Some of us are stealing defeat from the jaws of victory.
09-13-2022 | 03:11 PM
#113
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That still doesn’t change the core fact that they’re signing new CPA’s with the anticipation of using those pay rates. It means that those rates per seat are economically viable. Whether some other bear (training pipeline, QC issues leading to an unacceptable safety environment, etc) takes them down anyway is irrelevant.
The economics of flying at those rates per seat work for a subcontractor. That means they will work here. You don’t sign a new CPA where you know you’ll lose money each hour flown. If the rates aren’t sustainable you don’t sign new contracts. You shed flying and focus on not getting whacked with penalties for failure to perform. This isn’t what is happening.
I don’t know how else to lay it out there for you. I get it, you don’t think the regionals will exist in the future. I don’t either. I just think it has nothing to do with pay rates. Why are you so hellbent on a mediocre raise? We will never have a stronger case for a historic raise than now. Some of us are stealing defeat from the jaws of victory.
The economics of flying at those rates per seat work for a subcontractor. That means they will work here. You don’t sign a new CPA where you know you’ll lose money each hour flown. If the rates aren’t sustainable you don’t sign new contracts. You shed flying and focus on not getting whacked with penalties for failure to perform. This isn’t what is happening.
I don’t know how else to lay it out there for you. I get it, you don’t think the regionals will exist in the future. I don’t either. I just think it has nothing to do with pay rates. Why are you so hellbent on a mediocre raise? We will never have a stronger case for a historic raise than now. Some of us are stealing defeat from the jaws of victory.
09-13-2022 | 05:09 PM
#114
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From: 737 fo
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3491897[/url]]I don’t see the problem. They don’t need any scope relief for the 550. They can change the weights and adjust the configuration all they want. They don’t need to change one letter in the scope clause…. They just need to put UAL pilots in the cockpit!
The point of the scope clause isn’t to keep UAL from using RJs in the operation, it’s to limit how much flying UAL can give to non-seniority list pilots. It the 550 is worth flying, put it on the mainline certificate.
The point of the scope clause isn’t to keep UAL from using RJs in the operation, it’s to limit how much flying UAL can give to non-seniority list pilots. It the 550 is worth flying, put it on the mainline certificate.
10-18-2022 | 03:56 PM
#115
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From: B-737 Captain
why would we even consider Mesa rates? Did you see JO begging congress to drop the 1500 hour rule because his airline is losing 30% of its pilots every 6 months? Those rates are fingers in the dike, and the flood is still coming.
I’m sure they’re hoping for relief next year after the midterms. But bankruptcy will work just fine if they don’t get it. 😉
I’m sure they’re hoping for relief next year after the midterms. But bankruptcy will work just fine if they don’t get it. 😉
Rumor: Mesa Airlines Considering Bankruptcy, Dropping American Airlines Regional Service
by Gary Leff on October 17, 2022Regional carrier Mesa Airlines is rumored to be considering Chapter 11 bankruptcy, or as they say Chapter 22 because this would be the airline’s second trip to the courthouse. They last used the bankruptcy process to shed aircraft obligations in 2010.
https://viewfromthewing.com/rumor-me...ional-service/
10-19-2022 | 07:42 AM
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Rumor: Mesa Airlines Considering Bankruptcy, Dropping American Airlines Regional Service
by Gary Leff on October 17, 2022Regional carrier Mesa Airlines is rumored to be considering Chapter 11 bankruptcy, or as they say Chapter 22 because this would be the airline’s second trip to the courthouse. They last used the bankruptcy process to shed aircraft obligations in 2010.
https://viewfromthewing.com/rumor-me...ional-service/
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