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Old 09-09-2022 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by guppie
Because it bumps our passengers and/or their bags as well as jumpseaters. Especially with the new weights. It is a great product, first class to Bentonville without checking your carryon. But since it was a 70 seater, it’s empty weight is heavier than any 50 seater. What are they gonna do with a 50 seater? Park the Guppies? Haha. Its a Joplin bird. What regionals SHOULD be flying.
Wrong again. Management created this crappy product through a loophole in our scope. There is zero reason for the pilot group to make the loophole bigger. If you’re commuting on one these that’s your problem.

4000lbs stills equals another 20 seats even with the increase in pax weights, all management needs to do is find another language loophole in the scope and magically they stick those seats back in the 550, but “we don’t think the company would do that”-the MEC

oh then guess what? The jumpseat will again be useless.

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Old 09-09-2022 | 07:23 AM
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I don’t see the problem. They don’t need any scope relief for the 550. They can change the weights and adjust the configuration all they want. They don’t need to change one letter in the scope clause…. They just need to put UAL pilots in the cockpit!
Considering the regionals have now exceeded our own crj900/erj175 pay rates to flying 50 and 70 seaters this is what we need to be fighting for.
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Old 09-09-2022 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by guppie
15/5/5 will get’er done. Keep the 10am first day reserve, but give them the weight on the CR550 for no JS bumps…. (It’s a 50 seater for Peet’s sake, no threat) the CR550 smells like victory. We won!!
One more comment on why 15% on DOS is an absolute joke. Have you seen Mesa’s rates? $215/hr to fly a CRJ 900. Have you looked at our contract? $181.54!!! 19% gets us to MESA rates!! And you think our pilots would vote to have ANY aircraft fly for LESS than Mesa? SkyWest’s TA is supposedly coming out by Monday. I can’t wait to compare their new TA rates on the CRJ to ours. It is only going to raise the bar.

I think you underestimate our pilot group. I also think management lost all credibility with their fallacy that we can’t afford to fly the RJs in house.
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Old 09-09-2022 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by UALfoLIFE
Wrong again. Management created this crappy product through a loophole in our scope. There is zero reason for the pilot group to make the loophole bigger. If you’re commuting on one these that’s your problem.

4000lbs stills equals another 20 seats even with the increase in pax weights, all management needs to do is find another language loophole in the scope and magically they stick those seats back in the 550, but “we don’t think the company would do that”-the MEC

oh then guess what? The jumpseat will again be useless.
The seats aren’t coming back in the 550. Don’t be silly. And if they did, 4000 lbs doesn’t even equate to the 70 seat definition in our contract. Lol. IOW, they can put the seats back in tomorrow, and fly them as a 70 seater at a much greater weight than +4000lbs. Silly argument. rtf contract.

50 seater…. 65,000lb
70 seater…..86,000lb
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Old 09-09-2022 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by guppie
The seats aren’t coming back in the 550. Don’t be silly. And if they did, 4000 lbs doesn’t even equate to the 70 seat definition in our contract. Lol. IOW, they can put the seats back in tomorrow, and fly them as a 70 seater at a much greater weight than +4000lbs. Silly argument. rtf contract.

50 seater…. 65,000lb
70 seater…..86,000lb
I'm sure you're only addressing the gross weight aspect, but for clarification I'll add that they are already at the 70/76 seat airframe limit. They can only fly them with >50 seats if they park a E170 or 175.
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Old 09-09-2022 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
One more comment on why 15% on DOS is an absolute joke. Have you seen Mesa’s rates? $215/hr to fly a CRJ 900. Have you looked at our contract? $181.54!!! 19% gets us to MESA rates!! And you think our pilots would vote to have ANY aircraft fly for LESS than Mesa? SkyWest’s TA is supposedly coming out by Monday. I can’t wait to compare their new TA rates on the CRJ to ours. It is only going to raise the bar.

I think you underestimate our pilot group. I also think management lost all credibility with their fallacy that we can’t afford to fly the RJs in house.
why would we even consider Mesa rates? Did you see JO begging congress to drop the 1500 hour rule because his airline is losing 30% of its pilots every 6 months? Those rates are fingers in the dike, and the flood is still coming.

I’m sure they’re hoping for relief next year after the midterms. But bankruptcy will work just fine if they don’t get it. 😉
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Old 09-09-2022 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
I'm sure you're only addressing the gross weight aspect, but for clarification I'll add that they are already at the 70/76 seat airframe limit. They can only fly them with >50 seats if they park a E170 or 175.
100% true. Which makes the “sneak seats back in the 550” argument even sillier.
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Old 09-09-2022 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by guppie
why would we even consider Mesa rates? Did you see JO begging congress to drop the 1500 hour rule because his airline is losing 30% of its pilots every 6 months? Those rates are fingers in the dike, and the flood is still coming.
You're officially now a troll if you don’t think we consider other airlines. I’ll just ignore you.
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Old 09-09-2022 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
their fallacy that we can’t afford to fly the RJs in house.
Surely you understand why it’s still cheaper to fly RJ’s at the regionals even with higher pay rates than it is to fly them in house?
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Old 09-09-2022 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by guppie
The seats aren’t coming back in the 550. Don’t be silly. And if they did, 4000 lbs doesn’t even equate to the 70 seat definition in our contract. Lol. IOW, they can put the seats back in tomorrow, and fly them as a 70 seater at a much greater weight than +4000lbs. Silly argument. rtf contract.

50 seater…. 65,000lb
70 seater…..86,000lb
loopholes….. there are zero reasons to help the company on this.
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