Originally Posted by Hedley

I’m definitely not arguing for it, but I think that is what we’ll see. I also don’t think it will be 50+1, more like 65-70% pass. Our reps represent the masses and not the small echo chamber here on APC. I suspect that the polling will show different results than what people argue here. On APC for example, nothing less than a complete rewrite of reserve rules are in order, but on the line I doubt that is where the majority want the emphasis. TA1 wasn’t a extension or LOA, it was in fact a new contract. It was a horrible deal full of concessions with a little add pay sprinkled around, but it was a new negotiated contract. There were also small gains in things like training pay, but those few gains were obviously grossly overshadowed by the gives. It’s not what I want, but I think that a 15+5+5 deal and removing the concessions from TA1 would in fact easily pass. A NB captain rate of $358 would be too hard for the majority to vote down.

Originally Posted by UALinIAH

I guess we fly with different people on the line. I haven’t met a 737 FO in IAH that would be willing to vote for less than 20% DOS and some other gains like SL, PS pensionable, RSV upgrades, etc etc. 20% would just get us back to 2019 wages adjusted for inflation. In today’s world of pilot raises going through the roof 20% is on the very low end. Again it would take 30% on DOS just to get us back to C2000 rates inflation adjusted. Anything less is voting for a pay cut. We finally are in an environment where we should be getting back some of the things we lost over the years.

Originally Posted by Hedley

As far as contract 2000 goes, the majority of those eligible to vote never saw contract 2000, it is ancient history to them, and they don’t consider that the starting point, they see our current agreement as the basis. I hope we don’t pass this opportunity to claw back what we have lost over the years, but I’m expecting to be disappointed.

Originally Posted by UALinIAH

That is why it is so important that we mentor the next generation of pilots! That’s like saying “many weren’t alive when CAL and UAL had their strikes so they don’t know how bad SCABs crushed our profession”. Ignorance of the past is not an excuse.

Think UAL CEO’s pay hasn’t kept up with inflation?

Goodwin’s 2000 salary was $843,528 and his bonus was $225,000. https://money.cnn.com/2001/10/29/ceos/united/

Now Scott Kirby United $9.85 million. https://skift.com/2022/06/23/the-hig...-airline-ceos/

I think they’ve managed to do it……

I just went to C2000 since 99.9% of our pilots were alive then. I didn’t bother going back to the days my mentors spoke of where it paid enough to buy a new Cadillac per month lol.

Originally Posted by Hedley

I agree completely. My concern is how some don’t understand that the truly industry leading contract that we want isn’t going to be an easy fight. Both us and the company have the option of saying no during the negotiations process. I really hope that we’re willing to go the distance, but my confidence just isn’t there. Again, I sincerely hope that I’m wrong.

Originally Posted by guppie

15/5/5 will get’er done. Keep the 10am first day reserve, but give them the weight on the CR550 for no JS bumps…. (It’s a 50 seater for Peet’s sake, no threat) the CR550 smells like victory. We won!!

Originally Posted by guppie

15/5/5 will get’er done. Keep the 10am first day reserve, but give them the weight on the CR550 for no JS bumps…. (It’s a 50 seater for Peet’s sake, no threat) the CR550 smells like victory. We won!!

Originally Posted by fadec

Regional wages, like the price of gas and groceries and building materials, are unsustainable and unreasonable. It would be irresponsible of us to demand such an unsustainable and unreasonable wage increase. 50%-100% is just too damn high. We may need to strike.in the future, but it should be for something reasonable like 5%, not some crazy increase like everything else. Everything has gone crazy now and you guys just want to make it worse. Let cool heads prevail.