Those that have left LCC
#41
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 3,633
Likes: 209
Thanks. Can you also preference call me first/call me last, and are reserve assignments done by seniority or whoever has the least hours? At my LCC the most junior pilot who is legal and available for the entire trip gets it, unless a more senior pilot (who is also legal and available) preferenced call me first.
#42
If you like being home and are flexible, reserve in base is great. If you need to know where you’re going to be a week ahead of time and grasp at perceived control by following the “reserves available” and “open time” tabs incessently, you will become bitter (ask me how I know).
Junior line holders fly 4 days fri-mon, senior reserves often fly a bunch of two days mon-thurs (mon-fri every other week to make 18 days on). Reserve here can be great if you embrace that you are here to fill gaps in the operation. If you think a reserve should have the same control as a lineholder over WHAT they fly, not WHEN they fly, you will be very disappointed.
Our main downfall with reserve is that it’s 18 days a month, which means you end up having multiple five-plus day work blocks a month. I truly think that most people would have way less gripes if they had four four-day work blocks each month. Losing one or two days a month sounds trivial, but I think it makes a huge difference in the perceived quality of life. That’s not just one or two more days of work a month, it’s one or two less days at home as well. Kind of like a net loss of four days, if that makes sense. So long story short, if you set your expectations appropriately and live in base, it can be a great gig. If you try to commute to a bigger plane/upgrade and want to control your schedule, you’ll need to start a meditation practice now to cope with the frustration
Junior line holders fly 4 days fri-mon, senior reserves often fly a bunch of two days mon-thurs (mon-fri every other week to make 18 days on). Reserve here can be great if you embrace that you are here to fill gaps in the operation. If you think a reserve should have the same control as a lineholder over WHAT they fly, not WHEN they fly, you will be very disappointed.
Our main downfall with reserve is that it’s 18 days a month, which means you end up having multiple five-plus day work blocks a month. I truly think that most people would have way less gripes if they had four four-day work blocks each month. Losing one or two days a month sounds trivial, but I think it makes a huge difference in the perceived quality of life. That’s not just one or two more days of work a month, it’s one or two less days at home as well. Kind of like a net loss of four days, if that makes sense. So long story short, if you set your expectations appropriately and live in base, it can be a great gig. If you try to commute to a bigger plane/upgrade and want to control your schedule, you’ll need to start a meditation practice now to cope with the frustration
#44
New Hire
Joined: Oct 2022
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
I enjoyed my time at B6, but I've got over 30 years left in this business and it didn't make much sense to stay. Not sure what your situation is but you've got to do what's best for you. GL
#45
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2022
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
My November award was 20 days off (including Thanksgiving) with 20+ hour three day trips. I was able to trade/drop/swap into 18 days off with slightly higher credit and some highly preferred days off that weren't part of my original award very easily. How realistic is this at UAL and how long does it take to gain enough seniority to have similar QOL?
#46
Line Holder
Joined: Aug 2022
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
If you'd be willing to elaborate, what all is it that turned out to be disappointing? I ask because I am just over a year into a ULCC and have an amazing QOL other than the fact that I have to commute and I currently live in a UAL domicile (a senior one). This is the most obvious reason why I flirt with making the jump but I have an excellent ability to rearrange my schedule as needed from month to month.
My November award was 20 days off (including Thanksgiving) with 20+ hour three day trips. I was able to trade/drop/swap into 18 days off with slightly higher credit and some highly preferred days off that weren't part of my original award very easily. How realistic is this at UAL and how long does it take to gain enough seniority to have similar QOL?
My November award was 20 days off (including Thanksgiving) with 20+ hour three day trips. I was able to trade/drop/swap into 18 days off with slightly higher credit and some highly preferred days off that weren't part of my original award very easily. How realistic is this at UAL and how long does it take to gain enough seniority to have similar QOL?
2. The way our customers are treated I am often embarrassed.
3. The senior pilots are great resources and mentors, but it is obvious many have been beaten down so hard in their careers they wouldn’t know functional management if they saw it. Employees here tolerate a lot of dysfunction and waste.
4. I don’t think the pilot group has the constitution for a great contract.
5. The crews aren’t necessarily fun, the FAs seem to often be hostile and the “aggrieved party” (see #2). A good amount of the pilots seem to really enjoy their jobs and flying, the rest of the employee groups and management I’ve learned to use up energy to avoid as best I can.
United has a lot of positives and has a lot of “unrealized” opportunity, but the company can’t seem to get out of it’s own way at times. Don’t get me wrong, this is where I want to be — but it is more of a question of which airline stinks the least.
How many airlines have expanded quickly and chase profits that never exist? Hopefully history does not repeat itself.
There is a lot at UAL that needs to be improved for this to be a great experience for customers and employees. The new blood is a lot like the old blood, and not many people have the chutzpah willing to call out the nonsense when they see it — whether it be the pilot group, other employees or management — the new UAL is a lot like the old UAL.
The company seems to overtly have a grievance with the most common gender and race of the pilot group. The company seems to put identity politics in front of safety and treating all employees and customers with respect and compassion.
Last edited by RimonaGregie; 10-28-2022 at 02:54 PM.
#47
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 1,570
Likes: 353
Their ads have no white male pilots. The latest 30 second “Good Leads the Way” has exactly .6 seconds (yes I timed it) where there are white males in the video. It is overtly focused on showing how many minorities and women United has on the property, despite still all new hire classes being 90% white males.
#48
Their ads have no white male pilots. The latest 30 second “Good Leads the Way” has exactly .6 seconds (yes I timed it) where there are white males in the video. It is overtly focused on showing how many minorities and women United has on the property, despite still all new hire classes being 90% white males.
#49
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2022
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
1. It is unlikely you will ever have an award at UAL with 20 days off, if ever. You currently have an amazing “QOL”? I don’t think I’ve ever met a UAL pilot that said their QOL was “amazing”.
2. The way our customers are treated I am often embarrassed.
3. The senior pilots are great resources and mentors, but it is obvious many have been beaten down so hard in their careers they wouldn’t know functional management if they saw it. Employees here tolerate a lot of dysfunction and waste.
4. I don’t think the pilot group has the constitution for a great contract.
5. The crews aren’t necessarily fun, the FAs seem to often be hostile and the “aggrieved party” (see #2). A good amount of the pilots seem to really enjoy their jobs and flying, the rest of the employee groups and management I’ve learned to use up energy to avoid as best I can.
United has a lot of positives and has a lot of “unrealized” opportunity, but the company can’t seem to get out of it’s own way at times. Don’t get me wrong, this is where I want to be — but it is more of a question of which airline stinks the least.
How many airlines have expanded quickly and chase profits that never exist? Hopefully history does not repeat itself.
There is a lot at UAL that needs to be improved for this to be a great experience for customers and employees. The new blood is a lot like the old blood, and not many people have the chutzpah willing to call out the nonsense when they see it — whether it be the pilot group, other employees or management — the new UAL is a lot like the old UAL.
The company seems to overtly have a grievance with the most common gender and race of the pilot group. The company seems to put identity politics in front of safety and treating all employees and customers with respect and compassion.
2. The way our customers are treated I am often embarrassed.
3. The senior pilots are great resources and mentors, but it is obvious many have been beaten down so hard in their careers they wouldn’t know functional management if they saw it. Employees here tolerate a lot of dysfunction and waste.
4. I don’t think the pilot group has the constitution for a great contract.
5. The crews aren’t necessarily fun, the FAs seem to often be hostile and the “aggrieved party” (see #2). A good amount of the pilots seem to really enjoy their jobs and flying, the rest of the employee groups and management I’ve learned to use up energy to avoid as best I can.
United has a lot of positives and has a lot of “unrealized” opportunity, but the company can’t seem to get out of it’s own way at times. Don’t get me wrong, this is where I want to be — but it is more of a question of which airline stinks the least.
How many airlines have expanded quickly and chase profits that never exist? Hopefully history does not repeat itself.
There is a lot at UAL that needs to be improved for this to be a great experience for customers and employees. The new blood is a lot like the old blood, and not many people have the chutzpah willing to call out the nonsense when they see it — whether it be the pilot group, other employees or management — the new UAL is a lot like the old UAL.
The company seems to overtly have a grievance with the most common gender and race of the pilot group. The company seems to put identity politics in front of safety and treating all employees and customers with respect and compassion.
I'm glad you touched on the identity politics issue at UAL. While I can compartmentalize it and do my job, it has been a concern of mine with regard to making the jump. As long as everything runs smoothly, it's not an issue and I could care less about it once the flight deck door is closed. When things DON'T run smoothly (how often does that happen in this industry?), my concern is that UAL will throw me under the proverbial airbus without missing a beat. A top down management structure which is overtly hostile to a specific race & gender is cancerous to the entire organization and not a place I'd care to be.
#50
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 2,032
Likes: 18
I'm glad you touched on the identity politics issue at UAL. While I can compartmentalize it and do my job, it has been a concern of mine with regard to making the jump. As long as everything runs smoothly, it's not an issue and I could care less about it once the flight deck door is closed. When things DON'T run smoothly (how often does that happen in this industry?), my concern is that UAL will throw me under the proverbial airbus without missing a beat. A top down management structure which is overtly hostile to a specific race & gender is cancerous to the entire organization and not a place I'd care to be.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
jupiter87140
Flight Schools and Training
50
10-03-2018 10:43 AM
Convair340
Flight Schools and Training
31
01-16-2012 08:00 AM



