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Old 10-22-2022, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR View Post
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There is a lack of premium flying and a lack of the flexibilities the the ULCCs have at the moment. I'm over a year in and have frustrations that I think should be different, but I'm happy in the switch. In the big picture, especially over a career, it was a much better move based on the info I had available at the time. I still believe that for what it's worth.
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Old 10-22-2022, 10:12 PM
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For the many that have left LCC to go to UA, was it worth the switch in your opinion?

I have asked this to every single FO I have flown with in the last year that left Spirit/JB/Allegiant etc and all of them have told me without question it was the best decision they have ever made.
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Old 10-22-2022, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ratm0820 View Post
For the many that have left LCC to go to UA, was it worth the switch in your opinion?
If you are hired at United today you will have 8,000 pilots junior to you in about 4 years. Can you say the same at the airline you are at? We are replacing 400 RJs with mainline planes. These planes are on order, and even in a recession, which we are now, we are still taking the planes. Nobody at a ULCC really knows what airline they will be at in 5 years. Maybe Frontier buys JB etc? Not sure that JB (market cap $2.2B) paying $3.8B cash to buy Spirit with a market cap of $2.1B was a smart move, especially since they are not profitable right now. Also your ULCC base could change, as some of the ULCCs have been pulling back flying because of a lack of pilots.

Its going to get worse over the next 4 years. I think the ULCC model will fail as the big 4 get much bigger.
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Old 10-23-2022, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot View Post
If you are hired at United today you will have 8,000 pilots junior to you in about 4 years. Can you say the same at the airline you are at? We are replacing 400 RJs with mainline planes. These planes are on order, and even in a recession, which we are now, we are still taking the planes. Nobody at a ULCC really knows what airline they will be at in 5 years. Maybe Frontier buys JB etc? Not sure that JB (market cap $2.2B) paying $3.8B cash to buy Spirit with a market cap of $2.1B was a smart move, especially since they are not profitable right now. Also your ULCC base could change, as some of the ULCCs have been pulling back flying because of a lack of pilots.

Its going to get worse over the next 4 years. I think the ULCC model will fail as the big 4 get much bigger.
I think this is fairly bear-ish on the LCC model. Given the growing gap between the upper and lower-middle class, I think there will certainly be a place for their fares and cost structure. That said, from a employee perspective, there is definitely less stability as their model is not based on anchoring/maintaining fortress hubs for cost advantage.

If you’re in the top 15% and have less than 15 years to go, the switch probably doesn’t make sense. But if you have a longer career ahead of you, have not broken into that top-tier schedules, and/or live in a major united domicile, I think it’s worth the gamble.
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Old 10-23-2022, 07:13 AM
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I think they all go through bk in next decade with fleet upgrades. In the end they will all be entirely different airlines in ten years and the players will look nothing like they do today. All you can do is find your open musical chair and hope for the best.
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Old 10-23-2022, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot View Post
If you are hired at United today you will have 8,000 pilots junior to you in about 4 years.
How did you come up with 8000?
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Old 10-23-2022, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot View Post
If you are hired at United today you will have 8,000 pilots junior to you in about 4 years.
How did you come up with 8,000?
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Old 10-24-2022, 08:08 AM
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How did you come up with 8,000?

2,000 pilots a year x 4 years.
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Old 10-24-2022, 12:08 PM
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They don’t treat you like a potential **** up but rather as a professional. The company and union are there to support you. Plus who doesn’t want more money, better work rules and nearly every metric that can be measured. UAL does have bad reserve rules but you’ll be off reserve after a couple/few months.
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Old 10-24-2022, 12:13 PM
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. UAL does have bad reserve rules but you’ll be off reserve after a couple/few months.
24, if you get a widebody.
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