TA Negotiations
10-26-2022 | 03:24 AM
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These recalls are effectively cutting off our noses to spite our collective face. A more measured Pilot group would have steered the MEC in a direction toward securing an acceptable contract (as we were doing) and THEN dealt with our leadership afterward. All I care about is the net result. Instead, the egos of a few chose to exploit this moment to engage in a power grab that has deleveraged us at this critical moment.
Have you been paying attention the last several years? There was no steering. TI and his sycophants didn’t give one flying F about the pilot group, only themselves. Hence years of LOAs followed up by a TA that may as well have been a copy/paste of Mgmts opening offer letter.
No, the time for “steering” is/was long past.
In the past the UAL pilot group elected incompetent and dishonest people to represent them, then allowed them to sit on their pro-management hands for YEARS without much if any transparency or accountability.
The recalls are an unfortunate necessity. Our previous leaders were incapable of negotiating in our best interest and using leverage.
Will the UAL pilot group do what is necessary for the best TA possible? Time will tell. The future is in our hands, we could have an industry leading TA tomorrow if we choose, or we can continue to be Kirby’s friend and pick up premium time. Make no mistake, the consensus of the pilot group is responsible for the current mess.
We have nobody to blame but ourselves. We want to win the war but we refuse to fight any battles.
The recalls are an unfortunate necessity. Our previous leaders were incapable of negotiating in our best interest and using leverage.
Will the UAL pilot group do what is necessary for the best TA possible? Time will tell. The future is in our hands, we could have an industry leading TA tomorrow if we choose, or we can continue to be Kirby’s friend and pick up premium time. Make no mistake, the consensus of the pilot group is responsible for the current mess.
We have nobody to blame but ourselves. We want to win the war but we refuse to fight any battles.
10-26-2022 | 05:29 AM
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Just stating a fact. Been around a long time, I'd be surprised if they did offer us something acceptable.
10-26-2022 | 06:01 AM
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I’m surprised at how many people I have flown with who thought that November 1st was when we should see a new contract that we find acceptable. Hopefully more people realize that we’re starting over, that this is a long game, and it’s crucial for those of us who have been around a long time to help the newer pilots set realistic expectations. It’s time to play high stakes chicken. Are we willing to hold out for the right deal, or is Kirby willing to spend the money to ensure that United Next is staffed? We still have massive deliveries starting in a few months, disgruntled instructors and LCA’s, and unfilled captain and WB vacancies. I sure hope that we don’t flinch first.
10-26-2022 | 06:31 AM
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I’m surprised at how many people I have flown with who thought that November 1st was when we should see a new contract that we find acceptable. Hopefully more people realize that we’re starting over, that this is a long game, and it’s crucial for those of us who have been around a long time to help the newer pilots set realistic expectations. It’s time to play high stakes chicken. Are we willing to hold out for the right deal, or is Kirby willing to spend the money to ensure that United Next is staffed? We still have massive deliveries starting in a few months, disgruntled instructors and LCA’s, and unfilled captain and WB vacancies. I sure hope that we don’t flinch first.
10-26-2022 | 06:57 AM
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I’m surprised at how many people I have flown with who thought that November 1st was when we should see a new contract that we find acceptable. Hopefully more people realize that we’re starting over, that this is a long game, and it’s crucial for those of us who have been around a long time to help the newer pilots set realistic expectations. It’s time to play high stakes chicken. Are we willing to hold out for the right deal, or is Kirby willing to spend the money to ensure that United Next is staffed? We still have massive deliveries starting in a few months, disgruntled instructors and LCA’s, and unfilled captain and WB vacancies. I sure hope that we don’t flinch first.
10-26-2022 | 07:13 AM
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clearly you fail to realize that our MEC isn’t listening to ANY ‘steering’ commands sent by a ‘more measured’ pilot group. They didn’t follow our own policy manual and when it was becoming evident the Tumi TA was going to fail they wouldn’t let the vote close. Sorry, but the MEC twice failed to respond to the group they represented and now recall is the only way forward. It doesn’t work the other way around.
10-26-2022 | 08:45 AM
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From: 18%er but I’ll enforce UPA23 to the last period.
clearly you fail to realize that our MEC isn’t listening to ANY ‘steering’ commands sent by a ‘more measured’ pilot group. They didn’t follow our own policy manual and when it was becoming evident the Tumi TA was going to fail they wouldn’t let the vote close. Sorry, but the MEC twice failed to respond to the group they represented and now recall is the only way forward. It doesn’t work the other way around.
10-26-2022 | 10:45 AM
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TK is already a pretty sweet gig compared to grinding out a big pay check on the line month after month.
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