Reserve vs other airlines
#41
“converted” isn’t the right term here. You are always on long call unless “assigned” a SC or FSB.
Notification time minimums (pilots may waive these minimums):
o Trip assignments – 13 hours prior to scheduled departure time
o FSB – 12 hours prior to report time
o SC – 10 hours prior to the start time of the SC assignment. If the assignment is given between 1800-2359, then 12 hour notice is required. (20-K-6-d)
Notification time minimums (pilots may waive these minimums):
o Trip assignments – 13 hours prior to scheduled departure time
o FSB – 12 hours prior to report time
o SC – 10 hours prior to the start time of the SC assignment. If the assignment is given between 1800-2359, then 12 hour notice is required. (20-K-6-d)
#42
Gets Weekend Reserve
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From: B737CA
“converted” isn’t the right term here. You are always on long call unless “assigned” a SC or FSB.
Notification time minimums (pilots may waive these minimums):
o Trip assignments – 13 hours prior to scheduled departure time
o FSB – 12 hours prior to report time
o SC – 10 hours prior to the start time of the SC assignment. If the assignment is given between 1800-2359, then 12 hour notice is required. (20-K-6-d)
Notification time minimums (pilots may waive these minimums):
o Trip assignments – 13 hours prior to scheduled departure time
o FSB – 12 hours prior to report time
o SC – 10 hours prior to the start time of the SC assignment. If the assignment is given between 1800-2359, then 12 hour notice is required. (20-K-6-d)
#44
Thank you for clarifying this. So if I understand this correctly, suppose on the first day of your reserve block, you're assigned SC, and I understand your Day 1 reserve starts at 1000, which means the company can assign it to you at midnight, right? That doesn't seem easily commutable especially if the loads are full.
#45
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: B737CA
And that's exactly what we get after 8-10 years at Southwest and taking the first available upgrade - commute to reserve...
Thanks gents! I hope you set the bar much higher than American or Alaska for that matter. I'll happily join you on your picket line if you have one close by.
Thanks gents! I hope you set the bar much higher than American or Alaska for that matter. I'll happily join you on your picket line if you have one close by.
#46
Thank you for clarifying this. So if I understand this correctly, suppose on the first day of your reserve block, you're assigned SC, and I understand your Day 1 reserve starts at 1000, which means the company can assign it to you at midnight, right? That doesn't seem easily commutable especially if the loads are full.
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#47
SWAPA fixed reserve PAY in the last contract. That's a huge improvement, don't get me wrong.
Reserve QOL though, especially for commuters, still trails the industry - including many regionals.
- No options commutable on both ends
- No real trip ownership (still have to be in position for the RAP)
- No self assigning trips or proffering of trips
- No long call / short call
- Reserves must stay phone available even after returning from an assignment
- Can't trade reserve days with the company or move reserve days unless another pilot agrees to trade
- Can't drop reserve days regardless of staffing
Reserve QOL though, especially for commuters, still trails the industry - including many regionals.
- No options commutable on both ends
- No real trip ownership (still have to be in position for the RAP)
- No self assigning trips or proffering of trips
- No long call / short call
- Reserves must stay phone available even after returning from an assignment
- Can't trade reserve days with the company or move reserve days unless another pilot agrees to trade
- Can't drop reserve days regardless of staffing
#48
SWAPA fixed reserve PAY in the last contract. That's a huge improvement, don't get me wrong.
Reserve QOL though, especially for commuters, still trails the industry - including many regionals.
- No options commutable on both ends
- No real trip ownership (still have to be in position for the RAP)
- No self assigning trips or proffering of trips
- No long call / short call
- Reserves must stay phone available even after returning from an assignment
- Can't trade reserve days with the company or move reserve days unless another pilot agrees to trade
- Can't drop reserve days regardless of staffing
Reserve QOL though, especially for commuters, still trails the industry - including many regionals.
- No options commutable on both ends
- No real trip ownership (still have to be in position for the RAP)
- No self assigning trips or proffering of trips
- No long call / short call
- Reserves must stay phone available even after returning from an assignment
- Can't trade reserve days with the company or move reserve days unless another pilot agrees to trade
- Can't drop reserve days regardless of staffing
All that is valid, yes.
but 15/16 is not only industry leading, it obliterates the industry.
#50
On Reserve
Joined: Jan 2022
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Reserve here does suck IMHO.
We need to eliminate field standby as the only major who has it.
We should be able to pickup as reserves 72 hours out. (We can’t)
We should be able to move reserve days.
We should have at least 14 days off as Delta does, as stated above.
All aspects of the contract need to be definitive with absolutely no gray area for the company to interpret or we get hosed. And….be prepared to get hosed.
These things can and should all happen to benefit the United brand, reliability and the pilots but instead we have NTAC (no talent a$$ clowns) for our negotiators and union leads.
I hope this helps. I’ve been mostly on reserve and there is far too much gray area. Oh, and the guys around you on reserve, they will commit some serious shenanigans to maneuver themselves out of assignments at the last moments. Bank on it.
We need to eliminate field standby as the only major who has it.
We should be able to pickup as reserves 72 hours out. (We can’t)
We should be able to move reserve days.
We should have at least 14 days off as Delta does, as stated above.
All aspects of the contract need to be definitive with absolutely no gray area for the company to interpret or we get hosed. And….be prepared to get hosed.
These things can and should all happen to benefit the United brand, reliability and the pilots but instead we have NTAC (no talent a$$ clowns) for our negotiators and union leads.
I hope this helps. I’ve been mostly on reserve and there is far too much gray area. Oh, and the guys around you on reserve, they will commit some serious shenanigans to maneuver themselves out of assignments at the last moments. Bank on it.
Last edited by KodiakJack; 11-01-2022 at 07:55 PM.
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