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Old 11-27-2022 | 06:19 AM
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Good to know. I’ve heard that strategy but haven’t actually talked to someone who employs it.
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Old 11-27-2022 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Tini
Good to know. I’ve heard that strategy but haven’t actually talked to someone who employs it.
I’ve flown with several FO’s who are senior to me who do it. By bidding with LCA’s they can maintain control of their schedules and still make more than they could as a captain considering that premium flying has dried up. They get first pick on vacation, they’re always off for holidays, and it’s their decision to either chase time off or money. Having 2 trips a month bought and picking up equal time earns them more than a captain flying their published line. It’s not always consistent, but for those who are senior enough and willing to game the system, there isn’t a good reason to upgrade. The WB guys senior enough to do the same really make a killing.
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Old 11-27-2022 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by osuav8r
I made over 300k in w2 income in 2019 as a 320 FO. 2X the Fo rate is a lot more than the captain rate. If you can get rid of your straight time stuff and pick up premium pay and soft time, you can make way more as a lineholding Fo than a Captain that doesn't trade their trips at all. Obviously a Captain that's a sharp trader will make more than an Fo that's a sharp trader, but an Fo that's a wolf can outdo a Captain that's a sheep.
You really think that having “wolves and sheep” is the best way to structure our pay system? I personally don’t, and think it’s the antithesis of what’s being in a union is about. We shouldn’t have to be computer whizzes, upa sharp shooters, or know an LCA in order to prosper, as it pits us against each other. Again, just my opinion.
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Old 11-27-2022 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
I’ve flown with several FO’s who are senior to me who do it. By bidding with LCA’s they can maintain control of their schedules and still make more than they could as a captain considering that premium flying has dried up. They get first pick on vacation, they’re always off for holidays, and it’s their decision to either chase time off or money. Having 2 trips a month bought and picking up equal time earns them more than a captain flying their published line. It’s not always consistent, but for those who are senior enough and willing to game the system, there isn’t a good reason to upgrade. The WB guys senior enough to do the same really make a killing.
I do that in a junior base and typically get one trip a month dropped and can double dip. I have heard recently of some friends only getting a portion of their trip bought instead of the whole trip which can be frustrating. One of them even had the middle days bought off them so they ended up with like 50+ hours in a domicile doing nothing. Can be good or bad depending on what you like to do on overnights.
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Old 11-27-2022 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
I’ve flown with several FO’s who are senior to me who do it. By bidding with LCA’s they can maintain control of their schedules and still make more than they could as a captain considering that premium flying has dried up. They get first pick on vacation, they’re always off for holidays, and it’s their decision to either chase time off or money. Having 2 trips a month bought and picking up equal time earns them more than a captain flying their published line. It’s not always consistent, but for those who are senior enough and willing to game the system, there isn’t a good reason to upgrade. The WB guys senior enough to do the same really make a killing.
Yep senior WB FO can make more than the LCA. Sounds awesome
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Old 11-27-2022 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
They are just front loading the staffing before they announce the Florida base. There will be a mass exodus of senior CAs in IAH when that happens. Problem solved.
Why would there be a mass exodus from TX to FL? IAH is similar enough to most of Florida with a comparable climate, near the ocean, politics, and no income tax. I understand people in EWR, ORD and DEN bailing to Fla, but why from IAH?
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Old 11-27-2022 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Earthboundmsfit
Why would there be a mass exodus from TX to FL? IAH is similar enough to most of Florida with a comparable climate, near the ocean, politics, and no income tax. I understand people in EWR, ORD and DEN bailing to Fla, but why from IAH?
likely because many people commute from florida to IAH
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Old 11-27-2022 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
You really think that having “wolves and sheep” is the best way to structure our pay system? I personally don’t, and think it’s the antithesis of what’s being in a union is about. We shouldn’t have to be computer whizzes, upa sharp shooters, or know an LCA in order to prosper, as it pits us against each other. Again, just my opinion.
Not saying that's how it should be but that's how it is.
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Old 11-27-2022 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gingerbread89
Hi all,

Looking at potentially transitioning to the airlines from mil in two years, and am interested in being based in Texas (I'm from DFW, the wife is from Houston). Initially I thought SWA might be the way to go, but recently it seems like United is growing and getting much better very quickly. I'm primarily leaving the military due to some QOL issues, while the wife would have another few years on her contract due to our age difference. Ultimately, I think we'd like to end up in Houston, but how senior is IAH for United, and what kind of flying goes on there? Still trying to find out how to best get similar info, but my search skills seem to not yield what I'm looking for.

Cheers!
Nothing you are reading today will be accurate in two years when you ETS. You just gotta wait and see. All of this info could change in 2 months much less two years .
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Old 11-30-2022 | 07:59 PM
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7 years ISH could be less or more

Originally Posted by GEARPINSOUT
Out of interest, how long would it take a new hire to hold the 777 or 787 out of IAH?
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