PK387

Most junior guy in IAH is about:
2300 from the bottom on the 756
4900 from the bottom on the 777
1800 from the bottom on the 787

72944

No loophole, no sneaking in. Base trades are in the contract and awarded by seniority.

Brickfire

787/777 junior man was a base trade. While contractual, it is not widely available. 787/777 junior man awarded in a bid is around 70% system seniority.

Hard to say how retiring/hiring/differential WB/NB growth will affect the time for a new hire to hold IAH 787/777, but it will be a significant time period. Lots of things have turned upside-down, but WBFO in a desirable base isn't one of them so far.

GEARPINSOUT

Thanks,

I live in IAH and am waiting for a new hire class date. Just trying to decide if I should bid (subject to availability on my class bid) 777 SFO and commute or 320 IAH and be home. I know everyone will say home but I really like long haul flying.

FlewNavy

For the love of god...do not commute to reserve in SFO if you can sit reserve in base on any airplane!

JTwift

Our reserve rules suuuuuuuuuuck. I hope they get some love on the contract. But you'd have to be insane to commute vs just living in base. If you can sit reserve at home, it's tolerable. Commuting sucks. And commuting to reserve sucks even more.

Pick IAH anything vs commuting

82spukram

I would bid Iah 320 fo for first year. Don’t commute on probation if you don’t have too. Then at the 10 month point on property decide if you want to go to the 756 IAH (assuming it’s available) or 777 in SFO. You also get a chance to see if wait time for 777 or 787 in IAH comes down or not.

the long haul flying isn’t going anywhere at United. Go NB in base first year if possible. You won’t be flying that much anyway first year on the WB but you will be sitting around in a Crashpad boarded a lot your first year.

one last point point in case you are not familiar with UAL you can bid up in pay bands at any time but you cannot bid down. So you could go 320/737 IAH then put in a bid for IAH 777, 787, and 756 FO and if you hold any of those during your first year you move up to the next bid group while and at any time you feel frustrated with NB flying just bid up and out to where you want to be.

good luck

Brickfire

I could say something like “that would be the dumbest thing in the history of dumb” but that wouldn’t be helpful.

I will instead point out that you can always bid up from 737/320 to 777 if you desperately miss long haul. You cannot bid from 777 to 320 after 6 months.

82spukram

Also attached is from fall of 2019 but it have seniority ranges for each fleet and seat. Things have changed a lot since then for IAH but it will give you an idea of movement with in categories.

Hedley

Bid IAH 737/320 if you can, and consider that the 737 will probably get you to IAH sooner if no IAH slots are available in your class. Once you are on property you can always bid up at any time, but if you take a WB slot as a new hire you are stuck with it for a 2 year training freeze unless you upgrade to captain. I also wouldn’t expect industry leading reserve rules in the next contract, when ever that happens. I’d plan on our current book with the possibility of a few minor tweaks. If there are significant improvements to reserve then be grateful, but if not, you will have planned accordingly. Despite what some people say, we’re not going to reverse 20+ years of contract erosion with one deal. Significant improvements to our current contract is a reality, inflation adjusted contract 2000 is a pipe dream.