Originally Posted by Thor (Post 3543449)

How many union meetings have you been to? What dialog to have with your reps?

Everyone is new once, but you seem overly clueless about process. This isn’t criticism, but an observation. How plugged in are you to learning about process?

Posting on APC and expecting results don’t count.

Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3543435)

I wouldn’t be surprised if our MEC ask was below DAL. They are now trying to figure out how to “save face”

Originally Posted by RaginCajun (Post 3543465)

You mean get involved in that political drama disaster? Not for me. The 2 meetings I have attended were useless. The frustration comes from lack of transparency. I get not negotiating in public…but at least a summary sheet. It got them in trouble before and I wouldn’t be surprised if history repeated itself.

Originally Posted by Thor (Post 3543469)

Interesting, who exactly do you think “ALPA” is? For the animus and separation you’ve adopted, what do you think is owed to you, and by whom?

A repeating theme I see in your posts is “me” and “them”. Could it be you’re just not cut out to be part of a labor union?

Let me guess, less than three years on the property and former Air Force, current Guard baby?

Originally Posted by Thor (Post 3543469)

Interesting, who exactly do you think “ALPA” is? For the animus and separation you’ve adopted, what do you think is owed to you, and by whom?

A repeating theme I see in your posts is “me” and “them”. Could it be you’re just not cut out to be part of a labor union?

Let me guess, less than three years on the property and former Air Force, current Guard baby?

Originally Posted by WarEagle28 (Post 3543476)

come on man, really? Stereotyping someone who questions a union and you go there?

Originally Posted by Wilfortina (Post 3543322)

Your evaluation of the rail strike and its implications for us is quite flawed. There were a number of factors in play there that are not in our situation.

First, the rail strike would have effected a very large amount of the economy, and for many there are no other solutions for their freight. A major airline strike would not affect the same wide swath of the economy, and there are other ways to pick up the transportation slack left behind. This would reduce the political pressure considerably to impose a contract.

Second, pattern bargaining really hurt them here. I think it was 8? out of the 12 rail unions had already accepted the deal, establishing a “pattern” demonstrating that this contract is what the industry would support. Pattern bargaining worked in management’s favor here. In our case, there is not this same pattern or even really the same structure.

Third, Christmas shipping.

Originally Posted by Thor (Post 3543469)

Let me guess, less than three years on the property and former Air Force, current Guard baby?

Originally Posted by WarEagle28 (Post 3543467)

Here’s the reality, management is probably going to come back this week and accept the “below par” proposal we sent up because it’s not even close to Delta’s