So you're suggesting the company would go 5% over Delta's rates. Personally if that's what you think then I would say you're smokin' crack, and I hope to God above you are not representative of the majority of pilots at UAL. Hopefully most folks realize IF we get a better deal than Delta it won't be in the pay rates, AND hopefully most UAL pilots are intelligent enough to not be "one issue" voters.

From what I have seen so far the Delta deal is excellent, and I hope it leads to a similar but slightly better offer for us.

I’m saying if the union approves 5% under Delta’s rates they’ll have a short stay in their positions.

“Industry Leading”
”Core 4”
”Good leads the way”

all nice catch phrases to make you feel warm and fuzzy but with little substance

i think they will make it right

So after four years, now they will make it right?

I dont think they have a choice now. We are lucky someone was able to do the heavy lifting for us. Apparently we can't do it ourselves.

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New hires already speaking with their feet. Management needs to make an expedited move…and quickly.

Six years of “Only I can fix this” worked out well didn’t it?

That's not what you said. You said 13% would be recall worthy. 13% on top of the 5% = 18% Delta rate. Are you not saying 18% on top of the already gotten 5%.

Delta's top rate is $354 so 18% puts it at $417.

Our top rate is now $369 18% more gets you $435.

13% gets you $417.

Are you saying $417 is recall worthy and you expect $435?

Let's not forget that it looks like delta is eliminating the 319/320 pay band . If we do same and eliminate the 700/800/900 its more like a 22% raise for NB guys.