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Sunvox 12-04-2022 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator (Post 3543144)
Unacceptable if we don’t get DAL LTD that’s vastly superior to ours and they have had it for 6 years. No reason we shouldn’t have it.


Yes, I expect to be forced out myself on disability for medical reasons and would like nothing better than to see LTD improvements, but I am not a one issue voter and would examine any offer based on it's entirety. I am especially keen to see some QOL gains clawing back minor issues we gave up in bankruptcy. Items that will be of benefit to those with decades left especially reserve rules and the like.

Boeing Aviator 12-04-2022 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 3543149)
Yes, I expect to be forced out myself on disability for medical reasons and would like nothing better than to see LTD improvements, but I am not a one issue voter and would examine any offer based on it's entirety. I am especially keen to see some QOL gains clawing back minor issues we gave up in bankruptcy. Items that will be of benefit to those with decades left especially reserve rules and the like.

Hope you’re not out for long with a speedy recovery. We are both 777 CA’s and we get shafted by our LTD. I’ve been in touch with several reps and they will give direction to NC next week to significantly improve LTD. Even JetBlue and Spirit have better LTD than United, unacceptable.

MasterOfPuppets 12-04-2022 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by RaginCajun;[url=tel:3542789
3542789[/url]]New hires already speaking with their feet. Management needs to make an expedited move…and quickly.

you have numbers to back this up?

Merle Haggard 12-04-2022 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 3542115)
If the company wants to fill new hire classes they better beat these rates quickly. Not sure why anyone would want to come to United with Delta having pay 34% mor than us. Better call Boeing and tell them to get rid of some of those orders because we cant’ staff them.

Maybe this is why SK has been hiring senseless numbers of pilots for the last several years. If he figures he keeps 75% of the way too many he's hired then he doesn't have to care about the contract.

KnightNight 12-04-2022 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 3543247)
Maybe this is why SK has been hiring senseless numbers of pilots for the last several years. If he figures he keeps 75% of the way too many he's hired then he doesn't have to care about the contract.

Hiring is more likely attributed to regionals falling apart.

I think we will see something from management in short order after delta ratifies this, probably around February

idlethrust 12-04-2022 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3542720)
“Industry Leading”
”Core 4”
”Good leads the way”

all nice catch phrases to make you feel warm and fuzzy but with little substance

Industry leading - except when it’s not
Core 4 - except when they don’t
Good leads the way - except when it dosent

RaginCajun 12-04-2022 08:27 AM

Any guess on a management response tomorrow?

KnightNight 12-04-2022 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by RaginCajun (Post 3543265)
Any guess on a management response tomorrow?

Doubtful, If anything they will say they are aware of it. They will wait for it to become a TA and probably voted upon

fadec 12-04-2022 08:53 AM

The company was pretty smart to give that 5% raise early. It was smart of ALPA to accept it early too. Otherwise we might have negotiated Delta rates without it and then gotten the 5% raise on top, something so unaffordable it would sink the company.

DashTrash 12-04-2022 08:57 AM

I am just shaking my head…. It seems like 90+% on here are so focused on pay rates. That is how dumb decisions happen!!! Take the shiny object, and not see the forest through the trees.

Pay rates are important, but not as important as work rules!!! I will gladly sacrifice pay rates for significant advances in Sections 5 & 20. Obviously zero concessions regarding scope!!! To me R & I is more important than pay rates!!!


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