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Full retro won’t help them attract new pilots or allow them to tout “industry leading.” It is a one time payment, so I’m not sure this will be a hot item for either side.
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Originally Posted by BlueInGreen
(Post 3542410)
The “me too” kinda screws everyone. Why would UA management want to come in above this if they know DL will snap back up to 1% above? UA now CAN’T beat DL on pay, so they won’t try. It ensures DL will be the best paid by 1%, but puts a ceiling on pay across the industry. It’s a back door way to keep airlines from competing on pay without actually entering into an illegal collusive agreement. I have to think the “me too” was a request from DL management, not DALPA.
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Originally Posted by JTwift
(Post 3542251)
even if we got 18 hour lcr, it wouldn’t matter because we could still get hit with short call and FSB, every single day. If there’s no protection against unlimited SC/FSB Conversion, it doesn’t matter what the long call callout time is.
Limits to SC/FSB conversion. Limits on when scheduling can even build these things also. It’s always amazing to me that after blocking in off a trip with 1 day left on RSV they suddenly and magically need a 1 day SC at 0700. |
Any response from UALPA yet? In this environment a response from management might come before Union “leadership”.
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My guess is full retro will come in the form of some signing bonus graduated for YOS and pay rate. My guess is a 15 yr NB CA will get a bonus in the area of $45k. Just a guess.
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Originally Posted by nene
(Post 3542479)
That is a lot of speculation. Traditionally, retro/PS etc is paid on "Delta Earnings"....ie they haven't carved out for any specific leaves or aircraft status. If you got pay from Ma Delta, then there should be a retro adjustment to it. They literally look at your W2 and multiply it by a percentage. Unknown if Retro will be pensionable like PS is though.
UNAs were paid but didn’t fly. No block hours, no retro flight pay? (I’m not advocating either side of the argument) The AIP says it’s applied to the “pilot’s eligible earnings,” the definition of which could be very much against the UNAs’ interest and for the company’s. Edit - they’re not even calling it retro, it’s a “one time payment after ratification.” |
Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr
(Post 3542552)
I thought retro applied the new hourly rates to the block hours flown since the contract became amendable. The retro applied then to flight pay and flight advance, not the whole W2.
UNAs were paid but didn’t fly. No block hours, no retro flight pay? (I’m not advocating either side of the argument) The AIP says it’s applied to the “pilot’s eligible earnings,” the definition of which could be very much against the UNAs’ interest and for the company’s. Edit - they’re not even calling it retro, it’s a “one time payment after ratification.” |
Originally Posted by CX500T
(Post 3542563)
If they try to freeze UNAs out this is some BS, there were guys junior to me still flying on some NB fleets, but they UNA'd me off the ER the first day they could.
It's one thing if someone took a voluntary COLA.. But- if a pilot took an SRL, or another pilot was basically benched because their fleet/base was parked.. they still got "X" amount of hours pay and still deserve some sort of retro bases on that number. Motch |
First off THANK YOU DALPA!
I think if our UALPA and SK team don’t respond quickly, we will see a mass exodus of 1st year guys jumping to DAL. Just a hunch. |
Originally Posted by hummingbear
(Post 3542499)
Point is, it will be really hard for the company to claim “industry leading” now that Delta has a UAL snap up. Unless they exceed Delta’s pay beyond the snap-up limitations, or blow them out of the water in work rules, we are now officially “industry following”.
That wouldn’t be hard to do. Any excess in pay with a corresponding snap up at the same limits would exceed theirs. |
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