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Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 3542563)

If they try to freeze UNAs out this is some BS, there were guys junior to me still flying on some NB fleets, but they UNA'd me off the ER the first day they could.

They will not. We are never paid for block hours. We get credit, which is paid as flight pay on our pay stubs. All of my checks during UNA were paid as flight pay. Non-issue.

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Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 3542563)

If they try to freeze UNAs out this is some BS, there were guys junior to me still flying on some NB fleets, but they UNA'd me off the ER the first day they could.

Wow, great point, I didn’t realize they did that.

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Originally Posted by tennisguru;[url=tel:3542599

3542599]They will not. We are never paid for block hours. We get credit, which is paid as flight pay on our pay stubs. All of my checks during UNA were paid as flight pay. Non-issue.

Excellent, glad to hear it. I hope they do the same here.

I imagine UA MEC is circling the wagons, trying to figure out how to respond to Delta's AIP. Tumi 2.0 isn't going to cut it. If this is the case, they need to step down.

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Originally Posted by BlueInGreen (Post 3542410)

What stops any other company from saying “DL+1%”? DL and DL ALPA cannot put any “cap” on what two other entities negotiate.

DL and DL ALPA have their own remedies per their contract, but it has not a whit of binding authority on anyone else.

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Originally Posted by BlueInGreen (Post 3542410)

The “me too” kinda screws everyone. Why would UA management want to come in above this if they know DL will snap back up to 1% above? UA now CAN’T beat DL on pay, so they won’t try. It ensures DL will be the best paid by 1%, but puts a ceiling on pay across the industry. It’s a back door way to keep airlines from competing on pay without actually entering into an illegal collusive agreement. I have to think the “me too” was a request from DL management, not DALPA.

Disagree... and in part because you used the word "Pay"
Someone else wrote this- but holds true.

The Rules Determine your Pay, Not the Pay Rates.

The company/UAL ALPA could just as easily offer the exact pay rates that Delta has offered.. but then we get 5:20 per day, higher International Override ($10/6) and all of a sudden we have the same rate, but paid slightly more than our Brothers & Sisters over at Delta flying the same type of routes.
Big picture, a Snap Up is a positive thing within our industry. Even if the big 3 don't raise the rates on their respective TA's.. what happens in 4ish years of one carrier actually has an extension with payraises?!

Think this is one area where we don't need to worry about nefarious intentions~
Just my Opinions
Always
Motch

UAL NC will be coming at us with 13/5/4/4. If they do NOPE.

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Originally Posted by PilotsAreDumb (Post 3542682)

UAL NC will be coming at us with 13/5/4/4. If they do NOPE.

That better have some crazy improvements on QOL, retirement, reserve, vacation, sick, Ltd...etc. TBH, I don't care what they put out as far as pay, it is going to be around Deltas new numbers. They can make it up in other improvements.

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Originally Posted by PilotsAreDumb (Post 3542682)

UAL NC will be coming at us with 13/5/4/4. If they do NOPE.

Pretty sure they’re on record a few times post-TUMI as saying the LOA 5% can’t be credited toward TA2. I think they understand that anyone voting for 13% would be facing recall- and that includes those who just got voted in.

20 plus 5 (loa) and 1 percent after dal plus 1 goes into effect