Profit Sharing?
01-15-2023 | 09:06 PM
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I suspect you consider yourself witty, but I'm afraid your sarcasm is usually lost in translation and honestly you have shown a distinct ability to add less than zero to this otherwise entertaining and sometimes informative forum. I bet you were a "meow" guy back in your RJ days. Goes to show how worthless the Hogan test is.
01-16-2023 | 03:46 AM
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Do you think it unreasonable to pay profit sharing out based on a % of flight pay for the year, regardless of the time(calendar year rule)?
Do you think a "new hire who onboarded in the 1st week of Jan doesn't deserve to get his share of PS because his contribution was meaningless?
Is your thinking biased because, if PS is paid out like Delta, you might get fewer shekels at the expense of the "new hire"?
Do you think your view is considered as "pulling up the ladder"?
If every pilot thought like you seem to, would you ever make strides to better the profession?
Do you think the way UAL does it is fair/righteous/respectful to all employees?
Do you think, "Well I got screwed, therefore let's continue to foist this on the new guys"?
Did I ask if maybe you getting a few more/less pennies in your pocket might bias your thinking?
As a Delta guy, just some of the thoughts/questions that crossed my mind after reading your less than fleshed out comment.
I hope your new "team" looks at the bar that Delta sets with our new TA, and negotiates up from there....the profession will be better for it.
PS...and FFS, if you don't get DC on profit sharing ...get it !!!
Do you think a "new hire who onboarded in the 1st week of Jan doesn't deserve to get his share of PS because his contribution was meaningless?
Is your thinking biased because, if PS is paid out like Delta, you might get fewer shekels at the expense of the "new hire"?
Do you think your view is considered as "pulling up the ladder"?
If every pilot thought like you seem to, would you ever make strides to better the profession?
Do you think the way UAL does it is fair/righteous/respectful to all employees?
Do you think, "Well I got screwed, therefore let's continue to foist this on the new guys"?
Did I ask if maybe you getting a few more/less pennies in your pocket might bias your thinking?
As a Delta guy, just some of the thoughts/questions that crossed my mind after reading your less than fleshed out comment.
I hope your new "team" looks at the bar that Delta sets with our new TA, and negotiates up from there....the profession will be better for it.
PS...and FFS, if you don't get DC on profit sharing ...get it !!!
01-16-2023 | 06:04 AM
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I finally got an answer from our NC on my question regarding this. Turns out the calculation is done post determination of the profit sharing pool. Meaning given equal payouts Delta pilots would get less after tax to make up for the amount paid into the DC. You can still argue this is better since net-net the Delta method results in less tax and more money, but it's not straight up 16% as some think.
01-16-2023 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by fadec;[url=tel:3571902
3571902[/url]]United is behind its peers for NB pay rates. Alaska is earning more right now. Spirit and Jet Blue will be voting soon. Here's the breakdown...
Alaska: +8%, Spirit: +6%, JetBlue: +17%.
Why is United earning less than these peers? If Kirby doesn't do retro that's understandable. That's not normally done in the LCC segment of the industry. Our NB rates should be within a couple of percent of Spirit at worst. JB is probably unsustainable. I understand that. But this is ridiculous.
Alaska: +8%, Spirit: +6%, JetBlue: +17%.
Why is United earning less than these peers? If Kirby doesn't do retro that's understandable. That's not normally done in the LCC segment of the industry. Our NB rates should be within a couple of percent of Spirit at worst. JB is probably unsustainable. I understand that. But this is ridiculous.
01-16-2023 | 07:08 AM
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United is behind its peers for NB pay rates. Alaska is earning more right now. Spirit and Jet Blue will be voting soon. Here's the breakdown...
Alaska: +8%, Spirit: +6%, JetBlue: +17%.
Why is United earning less than these peers? If Kirby doesn't do retro that's understandable. That's not normally done in the LCC segment of the industry. Our NB rates should be within a couple of percent of Spirit at worst. JB is probably unsustainable. I understand that. But this is ridiculous.
Alaska: +8%, Spirit: +6%, JetBlue: +17%.
Why is United earning less than these peers? If Kirby doesn't do retro that's understandable. That's not normally done in the LCC segment of the industry. Our NB rates should be within a couple of percent of Spirit at worst. JB is probably unsustainable. I understand that. But this is ridiculous.
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