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Old 03-02-2023 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Rumbold
Not having your night time logged and actual instrument makes you look a certain way, no offense. Also “just making stuff up” in a logbook and getting caught in the interview is suicide. No disrespect but if anyone needed interview prep it’s you…

LMAO ok…. Well I’ve had 3 interviews and was offered the job 3/3 times and never once did my logbooks even get cracked open- I guess UA is quite persnickety about it!!
why it matters after more than 8900 hours of time, who knows.. but ok.
thx for your insight.
Where were these three interviews and subsequent offers at? Regional, ACMI, 135? Or were they places worth actually being at like a legacy or larger LCC/ULCC? I’ve never heard of any career destination airline not even cracking open a logbook. Heck, most airlines event want certain events in your logbook tabulated (yes, that includes UAL).

Logging of flight time is not mandatory except for what’s required to maintain currency. However, if you do choose to log it and claim it, the FARs define what must be included. Part of that is “conditions of flight” ie day/night/imc. So, whatever portion of your 8900 hours you didn’t properly log is technically invalid.

Airlines would love to interview someone with 8900 hours. However, they aren’t fans of people who believe that 8900 hours entitles them to a job which, with all due respect, is how you are coming across. Some interview prep might actually be a good investment.
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Old 03-02-2023 | 07:00 PM
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Every airline “cracks open” your log book to verify endorsements to see if your checkride failures match your application.
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Old 03-02-2023 | 07:02 PM
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I really don’t know how to bring this up so here it goes…

I have been recently terminated by my employer at Avelo for reasons I still don’t understand. The Chief Pilot said some inappropriate things to me which included racist comments. I gave my notice and was later told that I would be terminated instead.

Would I be turned down immediately by HR? I really don’t know how to explain my firing. My final letter stated they found information on my background but they didn’t clarify what it was.

Since my firing, the Chief Pilot has been removed from roster and an investigation under way. But it still can’t explain my situation. I did complain to HR when inappropriate comments were made.

Some people mentioned my situation on the Avelo thread on the last few pages.

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Thank you, any help appreciated.
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Old 03-02-2023 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Rumbold
LMAO ok…. Well I’ve had 3 interviews and was offered the job 3/3 times and never once did my logbooks even get cracked open- I guess UA is quite persnickety about it!!
why it matters after more than 8900 hours of time, who knows.. but ok.
thx for your insight.

Tell me you’ve never interviewed at a legacy, without telling me you’ve never interviewed at a legacy before 😂
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Old 03-02-2023 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TurquoiseLine
at a major?
There’s not a single 121 carrier that doesn’t review your logbook(s) for their own liability. (S)he is just full of it.
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Old 03-03-2023 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
There’s not a single 121 carrier that doesn’t review your logbook(s) for their own liability. (S)he is just full of it.
Ok big shot tough guy,
and how do YOU log instrument time at a major??
you might climb or descend through some IMC, so maybe, what ? .1 per flight? And especially on approach the autopilot will be engaged until breaking out 9/10 times. Probably 10/10 times.
you can say cruise at night over the ocean is instrument since you’ll likely have no horizon reference. But again, autopilot is doing the work while you eat or complain about the contract or lament the lack of hotness of the FAs

You seem to think you know it all… so I’ll await the answer with bated breath.
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Old 03-03-2023 | 06:21 AM
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There’s no degree requirement, so you should be good there.
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Old 03-03-2023 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Rumbold
Ok big shot tough guy,
and how do YOU log instrument time at a major??
you might climb or descend through some IMC, so maybe, what ? .1 per flight? And especially on approach the autopilot will be engaged until breaking out 9/10 times. Probably 10/10 times.
you can say cruise at night over the ocean is instrument since you’ll likely have no horizon reference. But again, autopilot is doing the work while you eat or complain about the contract or lament the lack of hotness of the FAs

You seem to think you know it all… so I’ll await the answer with bated breath.
When I was at my regional I logged actual instrument when I was the pilot flying. Specifically when I flew an instrument approach when ceilings went below the FAF. I logged the instrument approach as well. After every trip I kept my logbook current. The electronic logbook I used logged the night for me.

That’s how this “big shot tough guy” logged instrument and night. I recommended you seek interview prep from the way your original post was written. You seem self centered and arrogant. United will definitely “crack your logbook open” FYI.

Maybe being arrogant is exactly what United is looking for and you’ll fit right in. Idk, clearly you don’t like taking criticism.
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Old 03-03-2023 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
When I was at my regional I logged actual instrument when I was the pilot flying. Specifically when I flew an instrument approach were ceilings were below the FAF. I logged the instrument approach as well. After every trip I kept my logbook current. The electronic logbook I used logged the night for me.
FWIW this is the first time I’ve heard of a 121 pilot logging actual instrument time during 121 ops. There’s no way to make that time accurate without constantly starting/stopping clocks at times when we should be paying attention to flying. The way modern airliners are flown under part 121 in our airspace system, logging actual instrument doesn’t make much sense anyway.

IAPs conducted in IMC, sure, many log those, but actual instrument is different.
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Old 03-03-2023 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by three1five
FWIW this is the first time I’ve heard of a 121 pilot logging actual instrument time. There’s no way to make that time accurate without constantly starting/stopping clocks at times when we should be paying attention to flying. The way modern airliners are flown, logging actual instrument doesn’t make much sense anyway.

IAPs conducted in IMC, sure, many log those, but actual instrument is different. FWIW quoted poster has stated on the forum they fly for DL so unsure the relevance to a UAL hiring subject.
When I started flying I was recommended to log instrument approaches for Delta with Airlines apps. Your instructor never started a timer when they put you under the hood while conducting instrument training. They made an educated guess. Same deal while flying the line. If you’re going to log an instrument approach, at least say you had X minutes of actual. Just log it to what you believe to be most accurate. You can’t log an instrument approach without logging instrument.
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