DEI=Racism thread moved or pulled?
02-22-2023 | 01:02 PM
#142
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Yes.
As for the DEI discussion…..I had a lot more heartburn over the issue when it was HARD to get an interview, and “diversity hires” were getting hired fro, the right seat. Now that it doesn’t hinder me in any way, I have no issue with DEI adjusting the standards for HIRING. Adjusting the standards for TRAINING and EVALUATION is completely unacceptable. As long as that doesn’t occur….there’s no reason to think a low time hire can’t hone the skills and procedures in the training environment. We need diversity…but we also need unity AMONGST that diversity. Having cliques of different demographics doesn’t help the cause. Not at the airline….not in this country.
As for the DEI discussion…..I had a lot more heartburn over the issue when it was HARD to get an interview, and “diversity hires” were getting hired fro, the right seat. Now that it doesn’t hinder me in any way, I have no issue with DEI adjusting the standards for HIRING. Adjusting the standards for TRAINING and EVALUATION is completely unacceptable. As long as that doesn’t occur….there’s no reason to think a low time hire can’t hone the skills and procedures in the training environment. We need diversity…but we also need unity AMONGST that diversity. Having cliques of different demographics doesn’t help the cause. Not at the airline….not in this country.
02-22-2023 | 01:06 PM
#143
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Yes.
As for the DEI discussion…..I had a lot more heartburn over the issue when it was HARD to get an interview, and “diversity hires” were getting hired fro, the right seat. Now that it doesn’t hinder me in any way, I have no issue with DEI adjusting the standards for HIRING. Adjusting the standards for TRAINING and EVALUATION is completely unacceptable. As long as that doesn’t occur….there’s no reason to think a low time hire can’t hone the skills and procedures in the training environment. We need diversity…but we also need unity AMONGST that diversity. Having cliques of different demographics doesn’t help the cause. Not at the airline….not in this country.
As for the DEI discussion…..I had a lot more heartburn over the issue when it was HARD to get an interview, and “diversity hires” were getting hired fro, the right seat. Now that it doesn’t hinder me in any way, I have no issue with DEI adjusting the standards for HIRING. Adjusting the standards for TRAINING and EVALUATION is completely unacceptable. As long as that doesn’t occur….there’s no reason to think a low time hire can’t hone the skills and procedures in the training environment. We need diversity…but we also need unity AMONGST that diversity. Having cliques of different demographics doesn’t help the cause. Not at the airline….not in this country.
02-22-2023 | 01:15 PM
#144
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No idea why it caused you heart burn because NH classes before this hiring environment were still dominated by white male with minorities and women being the minority…..There were a lot of women and minorities in the same boat as you having difficulty getting interviews….
02-22-2023 | 01:45 PM
#145
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From: Pilot
Eastern Air Lines Flight 401
Northwest Airlines Flight 255
Delta Air Lines Flight 1141
PSA Flight 2495
AA Flight 1420
It’s obvious pilots pilots of non minority/male status have also have their share crashes and mishaps with perfect records right…..
Atlas 3591 was a breakdown in the PRIA system and a carrier at the time desperate for bodies in the flight deck at the time and no body in the training department speaking up washing the guy out…..
But if you want to point crashes that involves folks of non-minority/ or male status. The numbers will not support your stance…..
Mods, this thread needs to die….
Northwest Airlines Flight 255
Delta Air Lines Flight 1141
PSA Flight 2495
AA Flight 1420
It’s obvious pilots pilots of non minority/male status have also have their share crashes and mishaps with perfect records right…..
Atlas 3591 was a breakdown in the PRIA system and a carrier at the time desperate for bodies in the flight deck at the time and no body in the training department speaking up washing the guy out…..
But if you want to point crashes that involves folks of non-minority/ or male status. The numbers will not support your stance…..
Mods, this thread needs to die….
Are you aware of the bias in hiring military pilots 20, 30 and 40 years ago? Are you aware how many outstanding civilian pilots were passed up while military pilots with chinks in their armor were hired?
I’m unaware of people being discriminatory in this thread, or advocating one group is better than another. I think the argument is being made that unfortunately politics that are unrelated to safety are a fundamental aspect to our profession, that politics have been embedded in our career since the Wright Brothers and this has hindered the development of our careers and the industry as a whole.
Politics change with the wind, but the bias in hiring pilots continues…instead of focusing on safety factors, in some cases irrelevant reasons to hire and retain pilots are justified for the sake of things that are not safety related. Military, nepotism, gender and race are just some of the examples. It isn’t about racism, sexism or another other -ism, it’s about the imperfection and bias of human beings, how perhaps when a company says safety is #1 that in reality that may not be true.
Last edited by AntiPeter; 02-22-2023 at 01:58 PM.
02-22-2023 | 02:14 PM
#146
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I’ve flown with numerous retired military pilots with unbelievably weak piloting skills and decision-making. Should we stop veteran’s preference for job applications too since that elevates a lot of “unqualified” people to a newhire class? gmafb.. this thread is just a disgrace and nothing more than the Tucker & Pals addicted forever victims throwing one fit after another. APC used to be useful, but this is nothing more than a safe haven for the most ignorant among us. mods, feel free to delete my account. There’s nothing of use in this echo chamber of crybabies. Such an embarrassment to the profession.
02-22-2023 | 03:00 PM
#148
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From: MEC Chairman, Snack Basket Committee
Heres the count:
✔️18 points/infractions handed out
✔️Two 3 day bans
✔7+ comments deleted
✔️6 political/unfair moderation complaints against me
✔️15 pages
Not bad 👏
Disclaimer: estimates only. I did not actually count anything. actual numbers may differ wildly either to the upside or downside. counts do not include PMs and inadequate moderation attempts on my part
✔️18 points/infractions handed out
✔️Two 3 day bans
✔7+ comments deleted
✔️6 political/unfair moderation complaints against me
✔️15 pages
Not bad 👏
Disclaimer: estimates only. I did not actually count anything. actual numbers may differ wildly either to the upside or downside. counts do not include PMs and inadequate moderation attempts on my part
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