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Old 02-20-2023 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
Or rather, diversity is important, but NOT solely for the sake of diversity.

Its equal opportunity, NOT equal outcomes.
Yeah unfortunately John, you can’t have diversity today without the equity factor. And equity is, from the words of our current VP, equal outcome. This generation has dropped the concept of merit and equal opportunity
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Old 02-20-2023 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust;[url=tel:3595121
3595121]Give a recent example of someone not “ historically qualified “ , bending metal . Otherwise your point is invalid . But on the other hand, I have hundreds of examples where blond hair blue eyed Billy who was “ historically overqualified “ , has seriously smucked up something. Bottom line is they can hire who ever they want, we all have to perform to the same standards. There are no shortcuts to a MV LOE OR LINECHECK . The sooner you picklehead backwoods morons realize this , we can stop wasting time on these pointless conversations and focus on a contract .
Bottom line is UA has alot of guys who don’t really care for minorities . Most of them assume you feel or think the same way they do just because you’re both white and I don’t. It disgusts me sometimes to sit there on the flight deck and listen to some of the crap that comes out of some of these guys mouths at times regarding this stuff.
I can give several but I won’t do it on an open public forum.

You made my point though, if you suck you suck. Good aviators don’t need to be coddled through no matter who you are or identify as. And yes, certain individuals have been given more leniency to MV/LOE performance than others. If you can’t accept that it actually happens then I can’t help you.

Originally Posted by sleeves;[url=tel:3594923
3594923[/url]]Maybe someday people will just treat each other like people instead of a category. I’m beginning to think that will not ever happen. All races are guilty of it.
There is no political capital to be gained by the ruling class when the people accept their differences and unite. Keep them at war with each other so they don’t turn their anger on them.
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Old 02-20-2023 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
I can give several but I won’t do it on an open public forum.

You made my point though, if you suck you suck. Good aviators don’t need to be coddled through no matter who you are or identify as. And yes, certain individuals have been given more leniency to MV/LOE performance than others. If you can’t accept that it actually happens then I can’t help you.



There is no political capital to be gained by the ruling class when the people accept their differences and unite. Keep them at war with each other so they don’t turn their anger on them.
What ? Really ? 8 or 9 guys in my new hire guys recieved extra initial sims . None were a minority.Not saying it can’t or won’t happen but you think minorities are the only ones getting extra sims or a little extra help to get through training?? Are you for real ?
Im willing to bet my life that somewhere in your career you received an extra sim session or extra
prep for an oral or something. Most of us have .
Now if someone of a different color does it they aren’t good enough? Not qualified ??
UNBELIEVABLE
I know a couple of guys at my former regional who failed upgrade at least once .Guess what ? Neither one is a minority AND they both here now
flying with you in the right seat .
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Old 02-20-2023 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
Or rather, diversity is important, but NOT solely for the sake of diversity.

Its equal opportunity, NOT equal outcomes.
And that’s the difference between “equality” and “equity”. Simple answer is like you said: Outcome
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Old 02-20-2023 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
I hate the fact I have to work with people with this idiotic mindset.By the way , when did the hiring standards drop ? According to you it did for minorities evidently. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I have no doubt in my mind that it’s always guys like you that are in the CP’s office trying to explain yourself after you muck up something. And you have the nerve to talk bad about a certain group of people. Give me a EFFN break .
Do us all a favor, go back to your house in the mountains and you’re still and your moonshine.
Tell your daughter and your wife ( same person by the way) I said hello .
Can you show us where he lied???
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Old 02-20-2023 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Cleared4appch
Can you show us where he lied???
Anyone who needs extra sims or training will probably get it , no matter who they are .
That’s my point. It’s not restricted to a certain demographic, as most of you inbreds seem to think.
I can’t believe we are still having these types of conversations in 2023. Ask yourself, are you part of the problem or part of the solution.
Judging by most of your comments, I think I know the answer.

Last edited by idlethrust; 02-20-2023 at 05:30 PM.
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Old 02-20-2023 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
I hate the fact I have to work with people with this idiotic mindset.By the way , when did the hiring standards drop ? According to you it did for minorities evidently. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I have no doubt in my mind that it’s always guys like you that are in the CP’s office trying to explain yourself after you muck up something. And you have the nerve to talk bad about a certain group of people. Give me a EFFN break .
Do us all a favor, go back to your house in the mountains and you’re still and your moonshine.
Tell your daughter and your wife ( same person by the way) I said hello .
Why is this guy allowed to post this vitriolic nonsense and yet my posts gets taken down and now any of my new posts have to be “approved by the moderators”?
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Old 02-20-2023 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
Anyone who needs extra sims or training will probably get it , no matter who they are .
That’s my point. It’s not restricted to a certain demographic, as most of you inbreds seem to think.
I can’t believe we are still having these types of conversations in 2023. Ask yourself, are you part of the problem or part of the solution.
Judging by most of your comments, I think I know the answer.
Love how you just attempted to hurl an insult at me when you don’t even know anything about me. Lol but don’t worry, you won’t hurt my feelings, because I’m not thin-skinned like you.

You may not ‘like’ what he said, but you CANNOT say that he’s wrong.
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Old 02-20-2023 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cleared4appch
Love how you just attempted to hurl an insult at me when you don’t even know anything about me. Lol but don’t worry, you won’t hurt my feelings, because I’m not thin-skinned like you.

You may not ‘like’ what he said, but you CANNOT say that he’s wrong.
he’s wrong.
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Old 02-20-2023 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mkitrn
he’s wrong.
Then show me where he’s wrong.
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