What’s the over/under on this thread getting shut down?

 

Hiring standards are minimums which every new hire meets and most exceed. No one has said that has changed. The issue that people have is minority status being considered as an achievement, thereby moving them ahead of more accomplished candidates. Hiring based on one's minority status has been illegal for years, but only enforceable through litigation. Most people don't have the funds or the time to deal with that.

Regardless, this is less relevant today when we are hiring many people near the minimums anyway.

 

You’re making an argument no one is having. It’s not racist to say that a lesser accomplished candidate who is hired based on their race shouldn’t be hired over someone who is more accomplished. Whether that’s actually happening, who knows.

 

Literally, the only people who actually care about or make an issue out of one's race are the political hacks of a certain political following. In fact, I would go so far as to say that DEI, just like affirmative action, are racist policies towards those very minorities you're trying to help and is nothing more than pure virtue signaling by the white racists who are pushing a certain political agenda. By pushing DEI, you are literally saying that the minorities are incapable of achieving their dreams and goals without the influence and virtue of the white people who happen to be in position of power. Talk about being racist....

 

Of course it’s happening. They wouldn’t require you to put down your race/ethnicity on the damn app. Why would that matter? Because you receive more points for it, end of story. I’m black and I know that helped me get hired at Delta. That’s why I’m well liked by others, I don’t lie to myself like some of these softies in the comments. I also made my way to Delta by passing upgrade training at SkyWest and new hire training at spirit adding another type with success. 2022 was a great year for me.

I personally can’t stand my fellow minority pilots who live in denial and act like they didn’t have an easier path. I find them pathetic tbh. Still have to pass training events, still have to pass the interview, but don’t act like everyone else doesn’t have to put in that work and then some.

 

I think it’s been fine for the most part. Other than the dude that’s been throwing out the slander with inbred, “mountain” people, and backwoods references. Each time it’s a different name called. At least it’s not repetitive, I guess.

The irony of using stereotypical slurs to devalue a group in order to defend a group that has historically faced stereotypical slurs to devalue them is not lost on me.

I think elevating the under privileged is a noble ambition. But I believe it needs to start much sooner than the Aviate program — probably by age 9. With the Aviate program OTOH, the folks that are even capable of passing the varied licenses and certifications are already on a good path likely because they’re already in a good situation. Good education, good parents, and good community. Probability-wise, the candidates that are receiving a nod from Aviate likely have never experienced prejudice and discrimination in any sense. Most likely come from middle class homes with good parents.

If the program focused on the economically/familial underprivileged, there would be a disproportionate impact that would positively impact historically marginalized communities while also avoiding the needless discrimination against poor non-black and non-Hispanic groups. That’s something that would be more egalitarian, IMO.

I also agree that it is crazy that this is being discussed in 2023, but more from the fact that we are three full generations after the Civil Rights passage and still using race in a political narrative to divide and disrupt for political gain.

 

Me too dude. This very post of mine awestruck about some knucklehead whipping out slurs of his own will be “checked” by a moderator before it makes it here (assuming it happens)… meanwhile his stuff is everywhere.

Still butthurt about my laid off twitter employees thread APC? Pathetic.

 

Did the same work, met the same standards- honestly it doesn’t sound like your path was that much different. Airline hiring has long relied on external factors to distinguish candidates who look very similar on paper. You got points for being black. Someone else got points for military service. Another guy for having a masters degree in finance & another for having a parent working in the training department. None of these have anything to do with making a better pilot, but there’s only one that people are crying about. That’s where the hypocrisy lies.

Most of us had help along the way & played whatever angle we had available to distinguish ourselves. It would be asinine to expect you to “own up” to playing an advantage in the hiring process when we’ve all done the same thing to whatever extent possible. And as you said yourself, you’ve had to meet the same standards as the rest of us, so at the end of the day, what does it matter if your points came from your race, your rank, your family connections, or anywhere else?

 

Actually, two of those things make a better pilot, all else being equal.

 

Your opinion but not objectively by a long shot.