DEI=Racism thread moved or pulled?
02-20-2023 | 07:35 PM
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Military service in good standing and educational certification and accomplishment displays aptitude, competency, and ability to fulfill commitments. They tell a story about a person that can give a forecast into the future. The entire purpose of the application is to paint a picture of who you are from a character/integrity standpoint. The former items do nothing to acknowledge character/competency. The latter items have everything to do with it if in good standing.
If these debates can’t agree on semantics, then progress will be arduous.
02-20-2023 | 07:35 PM
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What ? Really ? 8 or 9 guys in my new hire guys recieved extra initial sims . None were a minority.Not saying it can’t or won’t happen but you think minorities are the only ones getting extra sims or a little extra help to get through training?? Are you for real ?
Im willing to bet my life that somewhere in your career you received an extra sim session or extra
prep for an oral or something. Most of us have .
Now if someone of a different color does it they aren’t good enough? Not qualified ??
UNBELIEVABLE
I know a couple of guys at my former regional who failed upgrade at least once .Guess what ? Neither one is a minority AND they both here now
flying with you in the right seat .
Im willing to bet my life that somewhere in your career you received an extra sim session or extra
prep for an oral or something. Most of us have .
Now if someone of a different color does it they aren’t good enough? Not qualified ??
UNBELIEVABLE
I know a couple of guys at my former regional who failed upgrade at least once .Guess what ? Neither one is a minority AND they both here now
flying with you in the right seat .
02-20-2023 | 07:36 PM
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Good Leads the Way, but I get the feeling deep down corporations hate people…or at the very least don’t respect them very much.
DEI misses the point and becomes yet another tool to exploit, deceive and control. It isn’t for the benefit of humanity.
The DEI initiatives are inherently anti-safety. It’s nothing new, the industry wide preference of military and nepotism hires for decades was the same facade but today’s packaging is a lot more colorful.
DEI misses the point and becomes yet another tool to exploit, deceive and control. It isn’t for the benefit of humanity.
The DEI initiatives are inherently anti-safety. It’s nothing new, the industry wide preference of military and nepotism hires for decades was the same facade but today’s packaging is a lot more colorful.
02-20-2023 | 07:48 PM
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Is this for real? Race and family connections are immutable characteristics that indicate nothing about an individual. They are neither positive or negative. They are merely facts.
Military service in good standing and educational certification and accomplishment displays aptitude, competency, and ability to fulfill commitments. They tell a story about a person that can give a forecast into the future. The entire purpose of the application is to paint a picture of who you are from a character/integrity standpoint. The former items do nothing to acknowledge character/competency. The latter items have everything to do with it if in good standing.
If these debates can’t agree on semantics, then progress will be arduous.
Military service in good standing and educational certification and accomplishment displays aptitude, competency, and ability to fulfill commitments. They tell a story about a person that can give a forecast into the future. The entire purpose of the application is to paint a picture of who you are from a character/integrity standpoint. The former items do nothing to acknowledge character/competency. The latter items have everything to do with it if in good standing.
If these debates can’t agree on semantics, then progress will be arduous.
How do you level the playing field even a tiny bit without putting an emphasis recruiting from communities that have been historically discriminated against industry wide?
02-20-2023 | 07:58 PM
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Having a family member in the training department makes you a better pilot? Or maybe you just got a better gouge than everyone else….Michael Jordan is arguably the best basketball player ever, his kids were pretty terrible so let’s ease up with the hereditary assumptions.
02-20-2023 | 08:06 PM
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If we don’t know that it’s actually happening then this entire thread is based on the assumption that people of color are inherently less qualified…..which is inherently racist. Otherwise, why have this discussion at all?
02-20-2023 | 08:16 PM
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And for decades those immutable characteristics ALONE were used to deny opportunities to people of color who also served in the military and therefore demonstrated the requisite character and integrity. This is a fact.
How do you level the playing field even a tiny bit without putting an emphasis recruiting from communities that have been historically discriminated against industry wide?
How do you level the playing field even a tiny bit without putting an emphasis recruiting from communities that have been historically discriminated against industry wide?
Outside of the individual injustice, there has to be a point where you move forward. The individuals must be made whole. But to treat an entire group as receiving the injustice does not advance society.
My dad was denied a military pilot slot because he wasn’t tall enough. That requirement doesn’t exist anymore. Sometimes things are wrong and they need to be fixed and move on.
02-20-2023 | 08:29 PM
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Of course it’s happening. They wouldn’t require you to put down your race/ethnicity on the damn app. Why would that matter? Because you receive more points for it, end of story. I’m black and I know that helped me get hired at Delta. That’s why I’m well liked by others, I don’t lie to myself like some of these softies in the comments. I also made my way to Delta by passing upgrade training at SkyWest and new hire training at spirit adding another type with success. 2022 was a great year for me.
I personally can’t stand my fellow minority pilots who live in denial and act like they didn’t have an easier path. I find them pathetic tbh. Still have to pass training events, still have to pass the interview, but don’t act like everyone else doesn’t have to put in that work and then some.
I personally can’t stand my fellow minority pilots who live in denial and act like they didn’t have an easier path. I find them pathetic tbh. Still have to pass training events, still have to pass the interview, but don’t act like everyone else doesn’t have to put in that work and then some.
02-20-2023 | 08:39 PM
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I don’t know the specifics of exactly what you are referencing. But to speak generally, if those organizations were discriminating on immutable characteristics, then they need a policy change and most likely a leadership change. If there was emotional/financial harm to an individual, then that should be rectified. If the government was involved, they pay the debt for damages.
Outside of the individual injustice, there has to be a point where you move forward. The individuals must be made whole. But to treat an entire group as receiving the injustice does not advance society.
My dad was denied a military pilot slot because he wasn’t tall enough. That requirement doesn’t exist anymore. Sometimes things are wrong and they need to be fixed and move on.
Outside of the individual injustice, there has to be a point where you move forward. The individuals must be made whole. But to treat an entire group as receiving the injustice does not advance society.
My dad was denied a military pilot slot because he wasn’t tall enough. That requirement doesn’t exist anymore. Sometimes things are wrong and they need to be fixed and move on.
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