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Old 06-08-2023 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
Look at how well that is working out for POTUS.
We have a "puppet" govt with several lawmakers who are clearly not cognizant being run by their "staffs". "Weekend at Bernies" comes to mind.

Shows the addictiveness of power though (prevalent as long as humans have been forming governments) that many of our politicians would rather pass in office rather than enjoy any semblance of a retirement (and irrelevance in their minds).
Old 06-08-2023 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
one of the youngest dudes ever hired here got myself and his wife killed in a small plane a couple years ago. Red herring somewhere else.
How is the internet in Heaven? Download speeds faster than upload speeds?

What so many young guys don’t understand is perception is far more important than reality. Facts are basically meaningless in the face of perception. UAL just announced a strike vote that has zero meaning. Why do that and probably lengthen any possible release to self help? Because the public’s perception will be they need to book away from an imminent strike at UAL. That’s not factual or reality but perception trumps everything else.
The CEO at Delta in a move to blunt the perception of a Christmas pilot strike said something monumentally stupid on national TV. That statement where he completely discounted the mediators role in strike timing directly resulted in the Delta TA. He was so worried about perception he let his mouth run away from him. The mediator then gave him a solid dose of reality and who was in charge!

The public only knows a 69 year old slumped over in the cockpit. They will perceive age was a factor and that will carry over to legislation.
Old 06-08-2023 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The public only knows a 69 year old slumped over in the cockpit. They will perceive age was a factor and that will carry over to legislation.
The public you refer to can’t remember what they saw on their Instagram feed yesterday much less an issue of rule making within the FAA.

May the best industry lobbyists win.
Old 06-08-2023 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by awax
The public you refer to can’t remember what they saw on their Instagram feed yesterday much less an issue of rule making within the FAA.

May the best industry lobbyists win.
They sure seem to remember some key aviation issues.
Old 06-08-2023 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Tack on two more years of that, and you understand why mgmt is so against it.
Yeah but guys wouldn’t suddenly have an extra 2 years of sick pay to cash out, so what you’d more likely see is a sudden miraculous improvement in the health of 63-64YO pilots with the traditional health decline setting in from 65-67.
Old 06-08-2023 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Tack on two more years of that, and you understand why mgmt is so against it.
it’s not an absolute timeline but a relative timeline. Burning sick leave makes sense in the last two years of your career - regardless of whether that is from 65 or 67. So it does t tack two years on.
Old 06-08-2023 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
It will clearly be brought into play if the age change comes to a vote. You seem to think facts need to be involved. They don’t! I doubt the NTSB will solve this one. Clearly the pilot was incapacitated about 15 minutes after departure. Probably a pressurization problem but perhaps a medical issue. If it was a systems issue did he miss something on preflight or after start or was it an aircraft systems failure? Again it really doesn’t matter as facts won’t matter if 67 comes to a vote. It will be hanging out there and if it sways a vote or two it’s huge.
Wasn’t he 70?
Old 06-08-2023 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The CEO at Delta in a move to blunt the perception of a Christmas pilot strike said something monumentally stupid on national TV. That statement where he completely discounted the mediators role in strike timing directly resulted in the Delta TA. He was so worried about perception he let his mouth run away from him. The mediator then gave him a solid dose of reality and who was in charge!
And in the process Bastian helped set the floor for the UAL and AA. and AA punted with a copy-and-paste. I guess they don't do pattern bargaining at APA.
Old 06-08-2023 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
Yeah but guys wouldn’t suddenly have an extra 2 years of sick pay to cash out, so what you’d more likely see is a sudden miraculous improvement in the health of 63-64YO pilots with the traditional health decline setting in from 65-67.
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that right there
Old 06-09-2023 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Dc8co
Now the age 67'ers want article 8 charges brought against their own union for lobbying for what the actual majority of pilots want, not raising the retirement age. Show up to your upcoming local council meetings to oppose this nonsense.

https://raisethepilotage.com/ual-mec...ode-of-ethics/
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