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Old 06-07-2023 | 01:09 PM
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3645937[/url]]Wait, so it’s NOT a Repub thing only like you stated previously? So now because it’s got 2 Dem Senators (which would be plenty to pass the Senate), that’s “not going to get er’ done”?
Too funny.
See Ricks post above and read how things get done in DC.
Age 67 ain’t dead by a country mile.
SK himself has said publicly, on TV that neither UAL nor any of the other airlines support age 67 and then he gave numbers as to why… increased insurance costs, number of pilots on disability, etc. I can’t remember the exact figure but the number of pilots that go on LTD above age 63 surprised the dookie out of me.
Old 06-07-2023 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
I can’t remember the exact figure but the number of pilots that go on LTD above age 63 surprised the dookie out of me.
Some people call that strategic retirement transitioning. Assuming that you’re not injured or ill, burning all of your sick bank and getting $11k tax free per month for the last few years sounds like a good way to end a career to me.
Old 06-07-2023 | 02:39 PM
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The pilot was 69, retired SWA. During the intercept which was well after the loss of comms, the F-16 could see him slumped over the controls. The fact he could be seen I believe rules out a rapid-D. If it had been that at FL340 the windshield would be frosted over like Payne Stuarts jet was.

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Like who? Pilots, Regulators, Congress?

Let’s be better than Fox News “some people are saying” which does nothing for an honest discussion.

Was age a factor in this accident? source?

For the sake of discussion, I don’t support age 67, but I also don’t feel the need to make the mere mention something that has to be demonized.
Old 06-07-2023 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
SK himself has said publicly, on TV that neither UAL nor any of the other airlines support age 67 and then he gave numbers as to why… increased insurance costs, number of pilots on disability, etc. I can’t remember the exact figure but the number of pilots that go on LTD above age 63 surprised the dookie out of me.
SK doesn’t get a vote though. Just like you and I don’t get a vote on this matter.
Knowing how DC works, the ‘Let Pilots Fly Act’ will be buried in a congressional resolution and be passed regardless of what you, me, SK, or ALPA wants.
Old 06-07-2023 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
The pilot was 69, retired SWA. During the intercept which was well after the loss of comms, the F-16 could see him slumped over the controls. The fact he could be seen I believe rules out a rapid-D. If it had been that at FL340 the windshield would be frosted over like Payne Stuarts jet was.
This information certainly will be used as a data point in an argument against raising the age to 67.

Although it could just as easily be used to support the mandate of a First Class medical for Part 91 operations to include more frequent EKGs.

Either way, I’m sure the NTSB will investigate and provide findings that both pro and con arguments will use to spin in order to further a narrative.
Old 06-07-2023 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The recent Cessna accident may lead to some rethinking of age 67.
one of the youngest dudes ever hired here got myself and his wife killed in a small plane a couple years ago. Red herring somewhere else.
Old 06-08-2023 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Some people call that strategic retirement transitioning. Assuming that you’re not injured or ill, burning all of your sick bank and getting $11k tax free per month for the last few years sounds like a good way to end a career to me.
Tack on two more years of that, and you understand why mgmt is so against it.
Old 06-08-2023 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Tack on two more years of that, and you understand why mgmt is so against it.
There’s also the issue of the rule not being global. It would create an operational and training mess if our senior WB pilots couldn’t fly to most of our international destinations.

I’m still baffled when pilots argue that our sick bank should be bought back at some percentage when we retire. Why take a percentage when using it pays 100% and allows you to stay home?
Old 06-08-2023 | 04:55 AM
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There is no reason for pilots to be forced to retire at 65. If the POTUS has no age limit why should airline pilots?
Old 06-08-2023 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Nelson
There is no reason for pilots to be forced to retire at 65. If the POTUS has no age limit why should airline pilots?
Look at how well that is working out for POTUS.
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