Imma call bull**** here.

Anyone who wants a funded pension is stupid and hasn’t been watching as pensions get funneled by the company into debt streams and eventually lost. The right answer is to find a retirement account via 401k or some other retirement vehicle. Pension is dumb. Give me the money and make it mine to invest and hold as I see fit for my retirement.

67 is not about slowing seniority growth for me or my peers as much as it is a known loss of cognitive function as one gets older. Part of keeping 2 pilots in the cockpit is about ensuring they have the mental function to perform at a high level and the data isn’t there to support it. Sure, there are absolutely folks who don’t begin to lose cog function at 65 but the majority start at 60, and nearly all by 65. It isn’t worth it, it isn’t as safe as it needs to be.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27516712/

I understand the company would like to keep FSB and SC, fine, limit it, make it pay better than it does, and build out rules to protect people from getting regularly screwed. That’s the argument to be made.

I’m new to the company and well past the seniority needed to hold a line but I also know there are better ways to manage reserves, almost making it desirable and limit the leash they want to put you on. Im also thankful I didn’t have to spend 2 years on RSV or more.

No, it doesn’t have to be selfish to think 67 is stupid because it introduces declining mental health into the flight deck, and it doesn’t have to selfish to want better RSV rules for folks who are in that position.

If I misread your post and am reacting unfairly to it-my apologies but I thought your position was pretty lame.

 

You missed my point completely.

Don't worry though, it's a complete waste of time discussing anything online.

 

Involuntary FSB twice a week in some seats/bases… and they wonder why they can’t get more Captain upgrades. Flying on FSB is far more rare…

 

So much for a “unified” MEC…
Not hearing good things.

 

Liiiiikke? Proof or no.

**** like this implies inside knowledge… I suspect you don’t have any and are just stirring the pot.

 

Liiiiikke? Proof or no.

Nonsense like this implies inside knowledge… I suspect you don’t have any and are just stirring the pot.

 

Not trying to discredit the need to fix work rules, but I’d say that our large number of widebody seats has as big an effect on unfilled NBCA vacancies as current reserve rules do. We have significantly more than any other airline. WBFO is a pretty hard drug to kick once you get a taste. More days off, a fraction of the work load, and not that big of a difference in pay. The WB ranks are full of pilots who would be very solid line holders, but they don’t want to kick the habit. To them spending 3 more days on the road, short layovers, and 18 more legs per month isn’t worth the roughly $3,700 difference in monthly pay. If I could handle the fatigue I’d have already bid back

 

Management loves to get people all worked up with hope and then yank the rug out from under you. Every cycle I have been associated with over the last 25 years has had at the end, pilots that were just tired of talking about it, worn down and beat. Don’t fall for the trap. Tell your reps what you want, let them deal with MGT. and vote on what they give you. Don’t fall for the Jedi mind games.

 

So you we were shopping for knee pads? I’m not one to judge, but thanks for sharing.

 

your protege TI should be article 8 th for what he did to our industry
He should be treated like a sc—-

but you will never get it because most likely bought you and offered you a job at National