dind ding ding - winner

 

Prepare for right sizing nbca in senior bases. Zach says we can allow IAH/ORD/DEN/CLE to “attrit”

 

So your saying all those will stagnate in a year ?

Would that not effect the fo size though. Assuming people will upgrade if they want regardless

 

It's confirmed that the company would have the ability start including unfilled CA spots in new hire drops right after DOS. The provision would be enacted right away. Those pilots just won't start CA training until AUG 2024.

 

Yes, I agree. The guy asking the question has been waffling about Spirit vs UAL for months in ORD. Getting to ORD as an FO won’t likely be a problem if he is pending training, but staying there might be. All hypothetical, though.

 

Yep but that's what I don't get. How would staying in ord be sffected ?
For the record from what I'm seeing this new ta is pretty heinous.

Looks like airport stby is gone and pay is up but that's it. No dropping or swapping trips. Obv the forced cpt on new hires. Ya. Not ideal at all

 

If you got forced into a captain bid, which is extremely unlikely, the award would be for a certain base, likely a coastal base. You start flying as an FO and can base trade as an FO. But then when you do the upgrade you will go back to where ever your original award was. You can do a lateral off of that, though, assuming that there is a vacancy available.


If we are getting to the point when we are forcing upgrades, though, I could see IAH & ORD shrinking.

 

Leverage and professional integrity are created through maintaining a high level of professional standards and a barrier to entry. Look at every other highly respected profession as an example. Industry management is playing the long game in systematically dismantling this profession. They have successfully done so through eroding standards and now stand poised to dismantle a large part of our barrier to entry. Virtually every response I have heard dismissing 8-F-12 as a threat to our profession has seemingly been forged by either fear of the future of our economy or greed in the short term. It's my contention that, if this TA is voted in with this language, we will have used the greatest leverage we have ever had to ensure new never have it again.

Flame on, but please do so with substantive points that push back against the threat this language poses to our profession.

 

Well said. Despite it being talked about at length, I think it is still easily the most overlooked issue to come up from TA's at any of the big three. It's an insidious poison pill.

 

(Emphasis mine)

Aspirational, but not contractual.The old “I’m sure they’d never do that” has never bit us before, now, has it?