Originally Posted by 89Pistons

Andy, I think your prediction won't come to fruition. Most negative comments are coming from folks that are outside of the council. Most of whom have never been in C33 or to a C33 meeting. Mario did a great job with helping remove two of the biggest proponents of the TUMI TA. And has not deviated from council direction since becoming VC.

I know emotions are high and many want to get the TA done and view Mario as a roadblock to that. And that many disapprove of his letter. A majority of comments regarding him have been on the personal level, which comes with the position, instead of disputing what he wrote. Some have disagreed with the timing and that's fair. But he's doing his job. I can tell you with confidence that he isn't out for "street cred."

There have been a lot of posts that certain reps will vote no over and over again. We need that in order to keep things in check. To point out what folks may miss. Regarding this TA, I don't think anyone can genuinely say that Kirby did not slipped a handful of mickeys in our drink (TA). This part of the the process is to not only champion the good parts, but to recognize the bad. If the TA can withstand that, then the majority of pilots will decide that it is acceptable. I am sure that that will end up being the case.

Originally Posted by NuGuy

FWIW, the vacation comparison to DAL was wrong on at least one point….there’s no bifurcation of pay & credit. DAL vacay is always pay/credit, there is no pay only component.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Delta vacation is pay no credit. The amount of vacation hours you are due in a month is applied to your PBS bid and counts toward the max award. Once the bids are closed vacation is strictly straight pay zero credit and you can pick up well above the normal max. If you have a week of vacation paying 26:15 and the cap is 80 you can pick up to 80 hours pay and credit and receive the 26:15 on top of that for 106:15 in total pay. This is sadly essentially a back door to selling your vacation back to the company.

Originally Posted by 72944

I agree. From the last LEC meeting I went to I got the feeling it was all posturing. I have doubts about it working out for him.

Originally Posted by ugleeual

I was trying to figure out why the prep e-mail leaking to the group using his LEC blast emails… and now I have a hunch why. The NO vote opens up the bigger opportunity he really wanted… a platform to speak to the entire pilot group and not just the small DEN pilot group. He is definitely trying to get some street creds for something else bigger then the LEC? This was cut/pasted from the MEC email…

"When the acceptance vote is less than unanimous and at the request of any MEC member on the opposing side of the acceptance vote, pro and con statements with rebuttals will be prepared by MEC members, or their designees, and mailed to the pilots within 15 days of the MEC vote."

Originally Posted by ugleeual

I was trying to figure out why the prep e-mail leaking to the group using his LEC blast emails… and now I have a hunch why. The NO vote opens up the bigger opportunity he really wanted… a platform to speak to the entire pilot group and not just the small DEN pilot group. He is definitely trying to get some street creds for something else bigger then the LEC? This was cut/pasted from the MEC email…

"When the acceptance vote is less than unanimous and at the request of any MEC member on the opposing side of the acceptance vote, pro and con statements with rebuttals will be prepared by MEC members, or their designees, and mailed to the pilots within 15 days of the MEC vote."

Originally Posted by dailyops

Why with all the conspiracy theories? Is it so inconceivable to you that a TA that is sub-standard and filled with concessions would be voted NO by some members of the MEC? There is a good chunk of information that is vastly different or completely missing from the original AIP that was voted unanimously for. Either you don't care to actually read what is in front of you or just want a quick payday before you retire, probably a combination of both. The MEC is not there to rubber stamp any document that is placed in front of them. That is why almost all the previous MEC were recalled for the Tumi TA.
You've been crying about wanting a deal NOW for a year+, well here you go. Hope the retro check and some add pay for working on your days off was worth it.