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09-07-2023 | 07:31 PM
#51
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Super-sleuth? That's from the MEC Policy Manual. It's been part of the process in every ratification since before we got here. The vote was 18-5. Anyone having aspirations beyond the LEC would have to align with the majority of the other 22 votes in order to have enough support to ascend.
The process is working. This won't be the first time you've seen pro and con statements. It's in membership's hands now and this will all be over in three short weeks. It'll be ok.
The process is working. This won't be the first time you've seen pro and con statements. It's in membership's hands now and this will all be over in three short weeks. It'll be ok.
09-07-2023 | 07:34 PM
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09-07-2023 | 07:37 PM
#53
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no problem here… I’m going to go to my LEC roadshow and then vote… how about u?
09-07-2023 | 07:38 PM
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Actually I wanted a deal when the contract became amendable… but now is as good a time as ever. For the record, I only work on average 6-9 days per month now… so I’m guessing about the same days of work for more pay (normal and add pay) once this goes into full effect… win/win.
So here’s a simple question for you since you’re obviously a no voter… how do you explain the 18-5 vote in favor? Other 18 who voted YES were idiots and the 5 who voted NO are geniuses? Or maybe, just maybe, based on all the briefings they receive (that we don’t) led them to believe this deal is a good one? That ever cross your mind?
So here’s a simple question for you since you’re obviously a no voter… how do you explain the 18-5 vote in favor? Other 18 who voted YES were idiots and the 5 who voted NO are geniuses? Or maybe, just maybe, based on all the briefings they receive (that we don’t) led them to believe this deal is a good one? That ever cross your mind?
You just want the money, probably didn't even look at anything besides pay tables and retro in the AIP and TA. You don't care about any of the other sections because they don't affect you, as you've made clear. I'm just saying stop acting like it's some conspiracy to point out the large flaws in this TA, especially when compared to the AIP bullet points. 5 members of the MEC didn't think this TA was worth it, that's not insignificant. You seem obsessed with one member because you're salivating for your payday. Enjoy the retro.
09-07-2023 | 07:46 PM
#55
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Everyone has their own personal reasons for voting the way they do.
You just want the money, probably didn't even look at anything besides pay tables and retro in the AIP and TA. You don't care about any of the other sections because they don't affect you, as you've made clear. I'm just saying stop acting like it's some conspiracy to point out the large flaws in this TA, especially when compared to the AIP bullet points. 5 members of the MEC didn't think this TA was worth it, that's not insignificant. You seem obsessed with one member because you're salivating for your payday. Enjoy the retro.
You just want the money, probably didn't even look at anything besides pay tables and retro in the AIP and TA. You don't care about any of the other sections because they don't affect you, as you've made clear. I'm just saying stop acting like it's some conspiracy to point out the large flaws in this TA, especially when compared to the AIP bullet points. 5 members of the MEC didn't think this TA was worth it, that's not insignificant. You seem obsessed with one member because you're salivating for your payday. Enjoy the retro.
09-07-2023 | 07:50 PM
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I wouldn’t call it industry leading. But it’s a pretty good contract. It closed some scheduling loopholes, financially disincentivized the company to reassign us the way DAL/AA do and should have me netting quite a bit more than I do now.
Unlike the TUMI, I think if we vote this down, TA3 would be a shuffling of the beams, rather than a 12 billion dollar agreement. Maybe I’m wrong.
I don’t see a good reason to vote no
Unlike the TUMI, I think if we vote this down, TA3 would be a shuffling of the beams, rather than a 12 billion dollar agreement. Maybe I’m wrong.
I don’t see a good reason to vote no
It's just a little extra $$ to spend on your SO when they're pi**ed off at you for missing another event/holiday.
09-08-2023 | 01:34 AM
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If this fails during MRAT then so be it… like I said earlier I’m working on average 6-9 days a month under the draconian works rules of the last contract… so I’m guessing same work with more pay is coming if it passes. For the pay increase/retro you assume is spent… Wrong, it’s just going to be invested with the rest of the piles of money I sock away each month… so not salivating one bit (yet) as it won’t be touched until retirement. And yes you are Correct, I don’t have major issues with the SL, LTD, “forced upgrades”, fear of getting forced into a medical procedure, and of course the lack of a unicorn promise…
09-08-2023 | 03:34 AM
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09-08-2023 | 03:44 AM
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he’s referencing our old legacy United vacation pay calculation… if you bid anything that touched a vacation day the whole trip was a paid drop. Bankruptcy changed it…
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