Training, of course not. Hiring? Well that's what all this BS is about. Depends on who you ask, but no one is going to know the real answer.

Ever hear of a white boy with about 10 minutes of experience at a legacy and also has a parent/parents at said legacy? Was the standard lowered for him?

 

So if everyone is held to the same training standards, and we don’t know the hiring standards, why are we spending pages and pages debating a theoretical “problem”?

 

Was Obama getting a free ride to Harvard reparations or equity?

Some people might say his dad immigrated from Africa in 1960 not 1860, and not on a slave ship but purchased airfare on his own.

His mother was white and, and he lived in Indonesia during Jim Crow and his experience with it was reading about it in a book.

Absolutely amazing to see him “assume” the identity of an underprivileged black man dealing with the fallout of post civil war reconstruction, or Jim Crow. I doubt he actually self promotes that.

 

The internet..🤷‍♂️. Imagine this conversation in a face to face, group setting.

 

Go ask an Atlas guy how Conrad Jules Aska was held to training standards. I will help you out, he was handled with special care because of the way he looked.

 

Can anyone give the Snopes answer to the question....... UAL had, in the past, a "Do not allow to upgrade list".

If Snopes answer is "TRUE"...does anybody know the nexus of such a list?

This would be late 80's possibly early 90's

 

The only thing useful about this thread is it’s distracting old cranky white dudes from the age 67 thread.

 

As a spectator I’m just inthralled by the dialogue exchange.

I’m impatiently waiting for someone to admit their inner Chris Farley, “Kill Whitey!!” so we can conclude this riveting discussion on hand picking winners and losers.

 

If you desire a society where sex, color, creed don't matter, that's a noble thought, and one I share with you. If, however, you believe that we currently live in a society where they don't currently matter, it's because you've never experienced institutional issues because of who you are. Again, that's fine. You (we) are lucky in that regard. It doesn't invalidate the role that history has played in getting us to where we are, the struggles some face for things they can't control, and the gap in representation across many different industries as a function thereof.

I'm not angry at all. I'm getting paid (really) well to do something that I love and fly with some great people in the process. It's actually you who seems angrier at the possiblity that some of the privileges you've enjoyed based on your appearance are being challenged. Again, the victim complex is strange to me when you've enjoyed every possible advantage up to this point.

For the record, United has not said they're going to hire 50% women and minorities, they've said they're going to try to have the Aviate Academy meet the goal. There aren't currently enough qualified people in those categories to do that, so the actual goal is to change the demographic makeup of the pipeline to something more representative of our nation's demographics. The assumption being that anyone making it to the point of getting on with United would have the same qualifications as anyone else.

I think you need to challenge the implications of your beliefs on this issue. You say you just want to hire the most qualified, but contrast that with hiring more diversity. You say you want to give people from different groups a chance, but think a program designed to give them that chance is "demonizing white males." You say they are race baiting, while throwing out strawman (safety) after strawman (only hiring minorities) in an attempt to make it so. The overwhelming implication in your comments is that by pursuing the programs that DEI initiatives encourage, by bringing more historically under-represented groups into our workforce, that our profession will be less safe. And again, the only way that could be so is if you believe they are less capable of doing the job that you and I do with the same training and experience.

You're doing everything in your power to be critical of programs, not quotas, designed to encourage more inclusivity in aviation. And you're doing so while simultaneously expressing concern how it will negatively affect the historically and currently most privileged demographic in the nation, the only group to have never struggled because of their sex, color, or creed.

 

Howard Stern's is better.