I don’t usually go digging but it seemed so odd that 2 separate users would still be stewing over the same benign joke from years ago that my curiosity was sufficiently piqued. Sure enough, it was you after all. Between your now years long obsession with that comment & your detailed analysis of my posting history & writing style it really feels like you’re taking this very personally.

If I may, the abundance of snark & sarcasm on these threads only seems to bother you when it is not “politically correct” by your standard. What can I say? This isn’t a safe space & I’m not violating any terms of use. If my posts really upset you as much as they seem to, they’re all marked with my name at the top. Feel free to treat that as a trigger warning & scroll on by.

 

No one is being hired solely based on race, that’s ridiculous. This is why it’s so hard to have this conversation- you’re arguing over something that isn’t happening. The subject in question is the merits of using race as a consideration for hiring among qualified candidates.Your opinions on that matter are germane. Your opposition to this “race as the only consideration” fantasy are less so.

 

relax huggiebear I was referencing another posters response to the POTUS Supreme Court Justice appointee.

 

That's some hardcore cherry picking you're doing there. Lets just gloss over the literally hundreds of accidents/incidents that have occurred over the years with white male pilots at the controls (many of which listing training issues as a contributing factor), and lets use one incident involving an ACMI carrier as evidence that DEI initiatives are somehow unsafe. The guy lied on his PRIA and resume, plain and simple. Where is the outrage for all of the zero to hero non-DEI hires with parents working at the same airline? Where is the outrage for the nepotism that has benefited white males for decades in this industry? The reality is that in this hiring cycle the historical experience requirements have indeed been lowered and that has likely benefited white men and women as much, if not, more than anyone. Take a look at the class pictures at your respective airlines and I'm sure you won't notice much variance from the current ratios of 90+ percent white males and then everyone else. No one is suggesting that standards should be lowered, or that safety should be compromised in the name of DEI. In fact, like the Tuskegee Airmen before us, we tend to hold ourselves to a higher standard because we know that the slightest slip up will result in fearmongering and the suggestion that minority pilots are somehow putting lives at risk.

Cry me a river.

 

It’s telling that you think that’s an explanation. KBJ was not hired solely based on demographics by a long shot; but because race/gender played a role in her selection, you assume that was the only factor. She was a highly qualified judge with an impressive resume at the time of her nomination- not just some black lady.

Similarly, an aspiring pilot with great potential whose demographic helps him/her stand out among other similarly qualified individuals is not the same as being chosen solely on race or gender, try as some here might to make that claim.

 

Mr. Aska killed 3 people so it is not a big deal? In your eyes because this was a crash at an ACMI carrier it doesn't matter? In all these hundreds of crashes caused by whitey, were they caused by incompetant people who were not fired for fear of bad PR and lawsuits? "Of course no one is suggesting that standards should be lowered" but that is exactly what will happen when companies do idiotic social experiments like this where safety is concerned. In your eyes we need to correct for all of the years of nepo hiring by hiring non white men even if some are like Mr. Aska? This is a bold strategy sir. Good luck.

 

dude grab a paper bag and breath into it for a bit and stop hyperventilating. She most did certainly get the position cuz our POTUS made that clear and concise. There's no sugar coating what he said and what his intentions were, but somehow you will jump on here and explain it to us.....3...2....1..

 

The Atlas crash, and any other accident involving injury or the loss of life is certainly a big deal. The fact that Atlas kept him on and let him fly the line sounds like a problem with Atlas and their training program. The fact that their background check did not pick up on the fact that the guy was not being truthful regarding his past employment sounds like a problem with the system and I hope it has been corrected. The fact is- standards have been lowered for EVERYONE in this hiring cycle. Every major airline has at some point lowered their experience requirements during this cycle. Yet you seem to only be concerned with minorities. Plenty of non-minorities in the Aviate program, are you complaining about them too? Are you concerned that they might jeopardize air safety?

To be clear- No one like Mr. Aska or anyone else who has not proven that they can do the job deserves a seat on the flight deck regardless of their color/gender etc. UAL or any other airline recruiting people of color and/or women and requiring them to meet and/or exceed current industry standards should not be conflated with Mr. Aska being deceitful and/or Atlas having issues in its training program.

Oh, and since you asked. Yes, there are plenty of accidents involving incompetence and white pilots on record...the list is long but Pinnacle 3701 comes to mind.

 

Pinnacle 3701 was piloted by 2 white guys who had abysmal training records, lied on their applications, and were "difficult" to fire? That is certainly news to all of us.

I'm concerned with UAL's target not because of what you say but because it is f-ing racist and will lead to breakdowns in safety. UAL will do everything in their power to push non-white pilots through the school house that they know are a safety risk until something bad happens.

 

What you are describing is against a number of US laws. You cannot consider race at all in hiring. I don’t think that is what has been happening in Aviate though. The marketing campaign has altered the applicant pool to where it doesn’t need to be considered.