Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3829728)

It is nice and simple, and no reference to carpet dancing

O. Commuter Policy
1. A pilot commuting to duty shall plan for a minimum of two separate flights that will arrive at his domicile in advance of his normal report time. If the first flight is oversold, delayed, or canceled, or if the pilot is denied a jumpseat or boarding for any reason, he shall notify Crew Scheduling as soon as practical.
2. Crew Scheduling, at its discretion, shall take one of the following actions:
a. Purchase a ticket for the pilot on the next available flight.
b. Advise the pilot to attempt to board the second flight through normal means (e.g., jumpseat, nonrev travel, or OA passes).
3. If, for any reason, a pilot is denied boarding on the second planned commuter flight, he shall immediately notify Crew Scheduling, and Crew Scheduling shall assign one of the following options:
a. Assign the pilot an open trip pairing, in consideration of the remaining commuter flights available, and any required rest and duty limitations, so that a pilot will arrive at his domicile in advance of his normal report time for the newly assigned trip.
b. Assign the pilot to reserve duty for no more than the same number of calendar days of his original missed trip pairing (e.g., a pilot who misses a scheduled trip pairing of three calendar days may be assigned to no more than three calendar reserve duty days).
c. Release the pilot from all duty in a non-pay status for the missed trip pairing (i.e., deduct the pay credit for the missed trip pairing from his pay).
4. A pilot who keeps accurate records of his scheduled commuter flights and otherwise complies with the provisions of this commuter policy shall not be subject to discipline for missing trip pairings due to denied boarding.
5. A pilot may use the commuter policy as necessary with no limitations.

Both of those flights can depart from different terminals, and arrive at a different terminal than you are departing from, and both can depart at the same time and arrrive 1 minute before check in, and be oversold, and it would still be a CBA compliant commute. I have commuted for NK for 12 years, and have missed 1 trip due to commuting issues. It was a flight where the crew timed out during deicing, and I had 2 backups, that had left by the time we got back to the gate. I am a profesional and prefer contract language that treats me as such.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3829728)

It is nice and simple, and no reference to carpet dancing

O. Commuter Policy
1. A pilot commuting to duty shall plan for a minimum of two separate flights that will arrive at his domicile in advance of his normal report time. If the first flight is oversold, delayed, or canceled, or if the pilot is denied a jumpseat or boarding for any reason, he shall notify Crew Scheduling as soon as practical.
2. Crew Scheduling, at its discretion, shall take one of the following actions:
a. Purchase a ticket for the pilot on the next available flight.
b. Advise the pilot to attempt to board the second flight through normal means (e.g., jumpseat, nonrev travel, or OA passes).
3. If, for any reason, a pilot is denied boarding on the second planned commuter flight, he shall immediately notify Crew Scheduling, and Crew Scheduling shall assign one of the following options:
a. Assign the pilot an open trip pairing, in consideration of the remaining commuter flights available, and any required rest and duty limitations, so that a pilot will arrive at his domicile in advance of his normal report time for the newly assigned trip.
b. Assign the pilot to reserve duty for no more than the same number of calendar days of his original missed trip pairing (e.g., a pilot who misses a scheduled trip pairing of three calendar days may be assigned to no more than three calendar reserve duty days).
c. Release the pilot from all duty in a non-pay status for the missed trip pairing (i.e., deduct the pay credit for the missed trip pairing from his pay).
4. A pilot who keeps accurate records of his scheduled commuter flights and otherwise complies with the provisions of this commuter policy shall not be subject to discipline for missing trip pairings due to denied boarding.
5. A pilot may use the commuter policy as necessary with no limitations.

Both of those flights can depart from different terminals, and arrive at a different terminal than you are departing from, and both can depart at the same time and arrrive 1 minute before check in, and be oversold, and it would still be a CBA compliant commute. I have commuted for NK for 12 years, and have missed 1 trip due to commuting issues. It was a flight where the crew timed out during deicing, and I had 2 backups, that had left by the time we got back to the gate. I am a profesional and prefer contract language that treats me as such.

Originally Posted by 11atsomto (Post 3829750)

I know VEC, SC, LC.........uuuuuuuuugh CMP is what exactly?

Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 3829766)

compressed, I believe.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3829728)

It is nice and simple, and no reference to carpet dancing

O. Commuter Policy
1. A pilot commuting to duty shall plan for a minimum of two separate flights that will arrive at his domicile in advance of his normal report time. If the first flight is oversold, delayed, or canceled, or if the pilot is denied a jumpseat or boarding for any reason, he shall notify Crew Scheduling as soon as practical.
2. Crew Scheduling, at its discretion, shall take one of the following actions:
a. Purchase a ticket for the pilot on the next available flight.
b. Advise the pilot to attempt to board the second flight through normal means (e.g., jumpseat, nonrev travel, or OA passes).
3. If, for any reason, a pilot is denied boarding on the second planned commuter flight, he shall immediately notify Crew Scheduling, and Crew Scheduling shall assign one of the following options:
a. Assign the pilot an open trip pairing, in consideration of the remaining commuter flights available, and any required rest and duty limitations, so that a pilot will arrive at his domicile in advance of his normal report time for the newly assigned trip.
b. Assign the pilot to reserve duty for no more than the same number of calendar days of his original missed trip pairing (e.g., a pilot who misses a scheduled trip pairing of three calendar days may be assigned to no more than three calendar reserve duty days).
c. Release the pilot from all duty in a non-pay status for the missed trip pairing (i.e., deduct the pay credit for the missed trip pairing from his pay).
4. A pilot who keeps accurate records of his scheduled commuter flights and otherwise complies with the provisions of this commuter policy shall not be subject to discipline for missing trip pairings due to denied boarding.
5. A pilot may use the commuter policy as necessary with no limitations.

Both of those flights can depart from different terminals, and arrive at a different terminal than you are departing from, and both can depart at the same time and arrrive 1 minute before check in, and be oversold, and it would still be a CBA compliant commute. I have commuted for NK for 12 years, and have missed 1 trip due to commuting issues. It was a flight where the crew timed out during deicing, and I had 2 backups, that had left by the time we got back to the gate. I am a profesional and prefer contract language that treats me as such.

Originally Posted by dsevo (Post 3829814)

At AA, we need to plan one flight. Doesn’t matter mainline, regional, other carrier, driving, train, boat, etc. Zero nonsense policy in my experience.

Originally Posted by knightnight (Post 3829818)

i don’t commute often, but when i do, i choose alpaca.

Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation (Post 3829812)

"Exercise prudent judgement, including awareness of weather and other factors affecting travel." That's gotcha language. Spirit has NONE in its commuter policy; it's cut and dried. UA has quite a bit of gotcha language in its convoluted UPA unfortunately.

Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3829728)

3. If, for any reason, a pilot is denied boarding on the second planned commuter flight, he shall immediately notify Crew Scheduling, and Crew Scheduling shall assign one of the following options:
a. Assign the pilot an open trip pairing, in consideration of the remaining commuter flights available, and any required rest and duty limitations, so that a pilot will arrive at his domicile in advance of his normal report time for the newly assigned trip.
b. Assign the pilot to reserve duty for no more than the same number of calendar days of his original missed trip pairing (e.g., a pilot who misses a scheduled trip pairing of three calendar days may be assigned to no more tc.han three calendar reserve duty days).