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Old 10-28-2024 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by whatarefacts
Similar situation execpt at FX....just about 3 years but the back side of the clock flying and the direction FX wants to go are serious things to consider. FX is not going to hire for who knows how long they are happy just outsourcing and the pilot group is so divided. Got hired on during the covid high period and thought WOW....FX but in reality this pilot group and company were somehow able to hide all the inadequacies and below industry standard work rules that exist here. Commuting to MEM is painful and moving there is out of the question MEM is a dump. Have a cjo but is it a safe move to start all over again...but is riding out night hub turns and back side of the clock flying at a company that will not grow, has subpar pay and work rules and clearly would rather outsource then conitue to utilize their own pilot group good also?

I know a few FedEx pilots who left for UAL and DAL. They miss the opportunities old FedEx had (overseas bases, stability/ security for the pilot group etc.) don't regret jumping off the FedEx train with the direction its pointed now. The vocal minority ("Silent Majority") types are conspiring with management to push substandard pay and work rules and destroy the pilot group... particularly the lives of known "no" voters. That toxicity is going to be present until they all die off. The legacies are 10+ years removed from their cost cutting initiatives, mergers and ****ty SLIs. Most of the pilots with toxic personalities and anti pilot group agendas are gone or will be in the next three years.

Neither opportunity is "safe". Talk to your buddies who left, look at the types of flying you'll be relegated to commuting to long term if you stay and decide which experience you'll hate less for the rest of your career.
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Old 10-28-2024 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueScholar
Does that mean in the next 10 years I won’t need a babysitter while the other pilot takes a lav break?

Single seat ops will seem brilliant up until a single pilot plane crashes and wipes out decades worth of costs savings. There is plenty of data available on the crash rates of 2, 1 and 0 manned aircraft, and its is eye opening to say the least, and that’s before you talk about the security issues that come along with it.
I don't know? Really and truly that whole FA in the cockpit thing was just a knee jerk reaction to the Germanwings incident. And some foreign airlines have already moved away from it. Truth be told it's just like the TSA: more feel good security theater with little actual result. What's a flight attendant standing in the cockpit doorway going to do to stop a pilot determined to do something bad? You and I both know the answer to that.

Economics are the greatest driver to reduction in pilots. Safety will never be the determining factor. ALPA is playing a bad hand.
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Old 10-28-2024 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
I don't know? Really and truly that whole FA in the cockpit thing was just a knee jerk reaction to the Germanwings incident. And some foreign airlines have already moved away from it. Truth be told it's just like the TSA: more feel good security theater with little actual result. What's a flight attendant standing in the cockpit doorway going to do to stop a pilot determined to do something bad? You and I both know the answer to that.

Economics are the greatest driver to reduction in pilots. Safety will never be the determining factor. ALPA is playing a bad hand.
The flight attendant is in the cockpit to open the door for the pilot who left to return. He or She can complete the required visual scan and open the door. Not a issue now but after 911 additional door security was provided by a manual bar system that mandated two people in the cockpit to allow reentry. The extra person is not in the cockpit to provide security of any type. They are there to open the door.
This policy is not a knee jerk reaction to German Wings. It came about within days of 911. The German wings crash came about 13 years after the policy went into effect.
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Old 10-28-2024 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The flight attendant is in the cockpit to open the door for the pilot who left to return. He or She can complete the required visual scan and open the door. Not a issue now but after 911 additional door security was provided by a manual bar system that mandated two people in the cockpit to allow reentry. The extra person is not in the cockpit to provide security of any type. They are there to open the door.
Thanks for stating what should be obvious to any pilot.
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Old 10-28-2024 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildturkey
The good thing is that you’ve reached your career destination at 26.
The bad thing is that you’ve reached your career destination at 26.

You don’t need to make a move. It’s time to focus on and build a life outside of flying. Your career is on autopilot. Don’t mess with it. Your widebody chance will come. Your captain opportunity will come.

Go be 26 and enjoy life. Work isn’t going anywhere and your post shows the human condition that despite career success it doesn’t bring satisfaction. Don't live life trying to beat the GPS estimate. It’s not worth it. Good luck and congrats on being in such a fortunate position!
SECOND THAT! Enjoy being 26 at a MAJOR!

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Old 10-28-2024 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
What's a flight attendant standing in the cockpit doorway going to do to stop a pilot determined to do something bad? You and I both know the answer to that.
I sure do! Hit them in the back of the head with the fire extinguisher and then open the door for the other pilot to fix whatever they did.
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Old 10-28-2024 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
I don't know? Really and truly that whole FA in the cockpit thing was just a knee jerk reaction to the Germanwings incident. And some foreign airlines have already moved away from it.
Uuuuuuuugh you do know that was in like 2015....like over a decade after two person rule for United States.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville
What's a flight attendant standing in the cockpit doorway going to do to stop a pilot determined to do something bad? .
Uuuuuugh they can open the door, so the other pilot could come in, or at the very least additional ABA's......

Do you even 121 bro?
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Old 10-28-2024 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by whatarefacts
Similar situation execpt at FX....just about 3 years but the back side of the clock flying and the direction FX wants to go are serious things to consider. FX is not going to hire for who knows how long they are happy just outsourcing and the pilot group is so divided. Got hired on during the covid high period and thought WOW....FX but in reality this pilot group and company were somehow able to hide all the inadequacies and below industry standard work rules that exist here. Commuting to MEM is painful and moving there is out of the question MEM is a dump. Have a cjo but is it a safe move to start all over again...but is riding out night hub turns and back side of the clock flying at a company that will not grow, has subpar pay and work rules and clearly would rather outsource then conitue to utilize their own pilot group good also?
sounds like you are miserable there, put your self out of your misery and leave.
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Old 10-28-2024 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
I don't know? Really and truly that whole FA in the cockpit thing was just a knee jerk reaction to the Germanwings incident. And some foreign airlines have already moved away from it. Truth be told it's just like the TSA: more feel good security theater with little actual result. What's a flight attendant standing in the cockpit doorway going to do to stop a pilot determined to do something bad? You and I both know the answer to that.

Economics are the greatest driver to reduction in pilots. Safety will never be the determining factor. ALPA is playing a bad hand.
Lets follow through on that thought. What are the economics behind crashing a $200 million jet, settling 150 lawsuits from passengers, lost cargo, lost market cap, government fines, etc? What do the economics say about the government revoking the airworthiness certificate for an entire brand new fleet of said $200,000,000 planes? You can put a price tag on that. Boomjet isn't Boeing with an established track record and lobbyists and selling aircraft to scores of airlines around the world. They could get shutdown in a heartbeat if safety is an issue. We aren't trained to be safe out of the goodness of Scott's heart, we're trained to be safe because it's a hell of a lot cheaper than the alternative.

As far as the babysitting FA, what are they going to do? Well for one there's the deterence factor, study after study proves that it only takes the slightest of barriers to dissuade someone from committing suicide. Something as small as a lock or a 5 foot fence or a person nearby can signficantly decrease the chances of a suicide attempt. They also know what looks right, and if there are any issues they can just open the door and get help. They also have objects at their disposal to subdue a suicidal pilot. You also have another ablebodied person to assist with securing the door as the other pilot comes in. There's a reason why you're citing only one incident from a long list of pilot murder/suicides and all of them are from foreign carriers.
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Old 10-28-2024 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
I don't know? Really and truly that whole FA in the cockpit thing was just a knee jerk reaction to the Germanwings incident. And some foreign airlines have already moved away from it. Truth be told it's just like the TSA: more feel good security theater with little actual result. What's a flight attendant standing in the cockpit doorway going to do to stop a pilot determined to do something bad? You and I both know the answer to that.

Economics are the greatest driver to reduction in pilots. Safety will never be the determining factor. ALPA is playing a bad hand.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
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